cross-posted from: https://biglemmowski.win/post/6224801

Michael Gloss, 21, was the son of CIA Deputy Director for Digital Innovation Julianne Gallina Gloss, and Iraq war veteran Larry Gloss.

Before arriving in Russia on August 13, 2023, Gloss was travelling around Europe. On his Vkontakte page bio, he wrote: “I ran away from home (and) traveled the world. I hate fascism.”

On April 4, 2024, he was killed, likely during a Russian offensive near Bakhmut, however, his burial in the U.S. did not take place until December 2024, Important Stories reports.

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    • Takapapatapaka@lemmy.world
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      From the end of the article

      But despite supporting Ukraine at the beginning of the full-scale war, he was at a military recruitment center in Moscow, alongside other foreign nationals, on September 5, 2023, Russian border data shows.

      His social media posts show a distinct change in his views — one identified by Important Stories as belonging to Gloss suggest he believed in conspiracy theories involving Ukraine, and claimed NATO was an evolution of Adolf Hitler’s Nazi party.

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        Either extremely impressionable, or maybe had his account handed over after he was pulled off the street and conscripted into a ruzzian meat wave.

        Either way, tragic waste of human life, being anywhere near involvement with their military.

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          If by evolution you mean “created to oppose” then yes. The question is what global organization will be created to fight against the evil of Trump and Putin.

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            Not really. NATO had many ex top Nazis at the helm directly after world war 2. The line between Nazi Germany and NATO is very straight.

            One of the most notable being top Nazi Adolf Heusinger https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Heusinger

            Where the other guy went wrong is thinking that anyone opposing NATO in this case Russia suddenly becomes objectively good.

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                Who vehemetly denied being involved in that plot, was cleared by the German secret service for not being involved and was praised by Hitler for his autobiography?

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              Well just because there are nazis dudes in an organization does not make it nazi itself. After the collapse of fascism, a lot of fascists kept or acquired important roles, there were nazi cunts in french administration, and i dont think it made the administration automatically nazi.

              Since NATO was not iniated by nazis, nor by Germany, and has no nazi goals, i’m not sure if we can say that the line between Nazi Germany is very straight. It exists sure, but it’s probably not straight and certainly quite thin.

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                When the top of the organisation is a Nazi it sounds pretty Nazi to me.

                Combined with the NATO genocides in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Palestine and more, it is obvious NATO is led by “Ubermenschen.”

                But hey. The truth is very inconvenient.

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                  The truth is complicated not inconvenient. Is NASA a Nazi organization? Are we not going to use rockets because it is Nazi tech?

                  What about NATO today is Nazi. What was Nazi about NATO then?

                  You’re being obtuse and intentionally a fool. Knock it off.

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                    NASA hiring a ton of Nazis is not the win you think it is. Yes the West did not abolish Nazism. Churchill was a massive anti semite and white surpremacist. They mostly fought the Nazis because Hitler was about to steal their power. Not because of conflicting ideals.

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      It seems they convinced him that NATO and Ukraine are Nazis. Typical stuff from the play book. Dude just went all in on it. Pretty sad, he had his whole life ahead of him.

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          I remember times when I rebelled against my parents and did some pretty stupid shit, but kids today are on a different level.

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            Not sure about your upbringing, but I know I also didn’t really have the means to do anything truly stupid.

            Where’d this kid get the resources to go globe-trotting to a freaking war-embattled fascist state? That’s what blows my mind. Someone responsible for him was complicit in his self destruction.

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      Some people consider Ukraine to be a neonazi stronghold. So fighting Ukraine would be fighting against fascist nazis. That logic is prevalent with conspiracy nuts/scammers like Alex Jones.

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        The way these “theories” are thrown around these days with such an air of legitimacy is truly terrifying.

        This absolute miracle of communication at our fingertips, and it’s 99% noise, dangerous noise, vying to worm its way into whatever cracks in the human psyche it can find. At the least harmful, it’s persuading ads. And on the other end, people are flying out to go join ISIS or Ruzzia because they got algorithmed into a Facebook group or absorbed enough TikTok radiation.

        I miss when the internet “wasn’t real life.”

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          Tankies don’t have their own beliefs. They’re just mouthpieces for the Russian and Chinese government.

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      not that i would die for fucking russia but its the lesser evil vs the us. i suppose its easier to see that if you are closely related to cia people.

      the us has done and and even admitted to stuff far worse than most out there. its not the biggest military budget in the world (of all time?) for nothing.

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          ukraine is an US proxy to shoot at russia. the us is provoking and paying for the war to weaken russia.

          a win for russia is a loss for the west, which because of imperialism and colonialism, is a win for everyone else.

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            But of course! Those poor Russians just had to do a whole invasion, entirely out of self defense!

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              i didnt really put it that way, but kind of.

              the cia has been talking openly about provoking it since the mid to late 2000s. putin has also been saying he would take nato expansion as a sign of aggression. this war was completely avoidable.

              this talk of “evul russia” or “poor ukraine” is just propaganda to manufacture consent for spending billions on an useless war instead of addressing poverty or something useful, and people should stop believing it. this war is not about morals or being “good” or “evil” at all.

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                Ukraine is the country being invaded. Russia is the one invading. That is as simple as it is. You invade = you are the aggressor = you are the evil one.

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                  i wish the world was that simple, with simple solutions. i’m still rooting for the best outcome for most people.

                  if you think this is about “good” and “evil”, you are being naive at best. war doesn’t work like superhero movies.

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      Just look at ML or Hexbear right here on Lemmy. The tankies love Putin and Xi. Horseshoe is a law not a theory.

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        Maybe if you didn’t keep your head inside your ass you’d feel a bit embarrassed of saying stupid shit online. The confidence you have to say stuff like that is truly perplexing.

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        Putin and Xi claim to oppose fascism the exact same way that Trump does while the actions of all three directly contradict their lip service. This is the biggest crock of shit I’m probably going to read on the internet today.