cross-posted from: https://biglemmowski.win/post/6224801

Michael Gloss, 21, was the son of CIA Deputy Director for Digital Innovation Julianne Gallina Gloss, and Iraq war veteran Larry Gloss.

Before arriving in Russia on August 13, 2023, Gloss was travelling around Europe. On his Vkontakte page bio, he wrote: “I ran away from home (and) traveled the world. I hate fascism.”

On April 4, 2024, he was killed, likely during a Russian offensive near Bakhmut, however, his burial in the U.S. did not take place until December 2024, Important Stories reports.

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  • flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    257·
    2 months ago

    eco-activist, women’s rights supporter, and anti-fascist

    fighting for Russia

    ummm, something doesn’t compute

    • Takapapatapaka@lemmy.worldEnglish
      120·
      2 months ago

      From the end of the article

      But despite supporting Ukraine at the beginning of the full-scale war, he was at a military recruitment center in Moscow, alongside other foreign nationals, on September 5, 2023, Russian border data shows.

      His social media posts show a distinct change in his views — one identified by Important Stories as belonging to Gloss suggest he believed in conspiracy theories involving Ukraine, and claimed NATO was an evolution of Adolf Hitler’s Nazi party.

      • MonkeMischief@lemmy.todayEnglish
        43·
        2 months ago

        Either extremely impressionable, or maybe had his account handed over after he was pulled off the street and conscripted into a ruzzian meat wave.

        Either way, tragic waste of human life, being anywhere near involvement with their military.

        • rusticus@lemm.eeEnglish
          606·
          2 months ago

          If by evolution you mean “created to oppose” then yes. The question is what global organization will be created to fight against the evil of Trump and Putin.

          • IndustryStandard@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1189·
            2 months ago

            Not really. NATO had many ex top Nazis at the helm directly after world war 2. The line between Nazi Germany and NATO is very straight.

            One of the most notable being top Nazi Adolf Heusinger https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Heusinger

            Where the other guy went wrong is thinking that anyone opposing NATO in this case Russia suddenly becomes objectively good.

            • Takapapatapaka@lemmy.worldEnglish
              394·
              2 months ago

              Well just because there are nazis dudes in an organization does not make it nazi itself. After the collapse of fascism, a lot of fascists kept or acquired important roles, there were nazi cunts in french administration, and i dont think it made the administration automatically nazi.

              Since NATO was not iniated by nazis, nor by Germany, and has no nazi goals, i’m not sure if we can say that the line between Nazi Germany is very straight. It exists sure, but it’s probably not straight and certainly quite thin.

              • IndustryStandard@lemmy.worldEnglish
                844·
                2 months ago

                When the top of the organisation is a Nazi it sounds pretty Nazi to me.

                Combined with the NATO genocides in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Palestine and more, it is obvious NATO is led by “Ubermenschen.”

                But hey. The truth is very inconvenient.

                • Doom@ttrpg.networkEnglish
                  335·
                  2 months ago

                  The truth is complicated not inconvenient. Is NASA a Nazi organization? Are we not going to use rockets because it is Nazi tech?

                  What about NATO today is Nazi. What was Nazi about NATO then?

                  You’re being obtuse and intentionally a fool. Knock it off.

              • IndustryStandard@lemmy.worldEnglish
                413·
                2 months ago

                Who vehemetly denied being involved in that plot, was cleared by the German secret service for not being involved and was praised by Hitler for his autobiography?

    • Cad@lemmy.todayEnglish
      533·
      2 months ago

      Some people consider Ukraine to be a neonazi stronghold. So fighting Ukraine would be fighting against fascist nazis. That logic is prevalent with conspiracy nuts/scammers like Alex Jones.

        • CmdrShepard42@lemm.eeEnglish
          263·
          2 months ago

          Tankies don’t have their own beliefs. They’re just mouthpieces for the Russian and Chinese government.

      • MonkeMischief@lemmy.todayEnglish
        11·
        2 months ago

        The way these “theories” are thrown around these days with such an air of legitimacy is truly terrifying.

        This absolute miracle of communication at our fingertips, and it’s 99% noise, dangerous noise, vying to worm its way into whatever cracks in the human psyche it can find. At the least harmful, it’s persuading ads. And on the other end, people are flying out to go join ISIS or Ruzzia because they got algorithmed into a Facebook group or absorbed enough TikTok radiation.

        I miss when the internet “wasn’t real life.”

    • evergreen@lemmy.worldEnglish
      461·
      2 months ago

      It seems they convinced him that NATO and Ukraine are Nazis. Typical stuff from the play book. Dude just went all in on it. Pretty sad, he had his whole life ahead of him.

        • Nasan@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          15·
          2 months ago

          I remember times when I rebelled against my parents and did some pretty stupid shit, but kids today are on a different level.

          • MonkeMischief@lemmy.todayEnglish
            5·
            2 months ago

            Not sure about your upbringing, but I know I also didn’t really have the means to do anything truly stupid.

            Where’d this kid get the resources to go globe-trotting to a freaking war-embattled fascist state? That’s what blows my mind. Someone responsible for him was complicit in his self destruction.

    • peregrin5@lemm.eeEnglish
      127·
      2 months ago

      Just look at ML or Hexbear right here on Lemmy. The tankies love Putin and Xi. Horseshoe is a law not a theory.

      • kreskin@lemmy.worldEnglish
        22·
        2 months ago

        Horseshoe “theory” is generally used to attack progressives to promote centrism. Its a DNC tool and you’re the chump using it.

        • peregrin5@lemm.eeEnglish
          21·
          2 months ago

          You’re a chump that thinks the Democrats are out to attack progressives. Maybe don’t be an uneducated dork.

          • Tattorack@lemmy.worldEnglish
            9·
            2 months ago

            But of course! Those poor Russians just had to do a whole invasion, entirely out of self defense!

              • Tattorack@lemmy.worldEnglish
                5·
                2 months ago

                Ukraine is the country being invaded. Russia is the one invading. That is as simple as it is. You invade = you are the aggressor = you are the evil one.

              • Lit@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                2 months ago

                NATO does not expand (invade to grab land), it is based on voluntary membership application (although it is not truly volunteer since they are being forced, antagonized to join due to russia expansionism). New members are only accepted through vote. “NATO expansion” is well known as putin/FSB propaganda meant for a certain naive audience.

                NATO borders with russia are the most peaceful with the low number of russian troops. Internally, Russia is not concerned about NATO, a defense alliance since Russia has the highest number of nukes.

                In the media, they will use NATO expansion propaganda because there are naive clowns and useful idiots who will believe in NATO expansion propaganda. Do remember russia was fine with Ukriane joining NATO, they saw they can use it as propaganda to justify russia expansionism. http://www.en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/21598.

                Ukraine public support for joining NATO was in the minority before the war, and only after invasion it became majority. Even after Ukraine said they won’t apply to NATO, russia didn’t not stop its expansion because russia expansion has nothing to do with NATO.

                In fact due to russia aggressive expansion even more countries applied to join NATO. Putin knew that russia expansion will encourage more to submit application to join NATO. Putin was warned to stop russia expansion as that just cause more to apply for NATO membership, it is open to anyone. Furthermore note that expanding russia territories just bring russia closer to NATO, increasing russia border with NATO. Clearly it is not about NATO.

                Even, without using NATO, putin will come up with a new reason like nazis, terrorists or LGBTQ or WMDs or security issues ( a country with the most nukes in the world has a security issue? only naive clowns will believe that) or restoring empire/imperialism (which he admitted in interview with carlson) or all of the above each for a different audience. Whatever it takes to get crimea and its warm water ports, and later Donbas for a land bridge and to secure Crimea water supply. Eventually going all the way to Transnistria.

                You think things are so simple as poor top nuclear powered russia who is scared of evil tiny Ukraine, for suggesting sending in membership application form to NATO. You are being naive at best. War does not work like a superhero movie.

                NATO was created to protect small countries from russia expansionism and stop russia from antagonizing its neighbours.

                Russia was even member of G8 until russia antagonized G8 members by invasion of Crimea. The only way a massive nuclear powered russia sees NATO as a “threat” is that NATO prevents russia from expansionism… from expanding russia territories.

      • CmdrShepard42@lemm.eeEnglish
        232·
        2 months ago

        Putin and Xi claim to oppose fascism the exact same way that Trump does while the actions of all three directly contradict their lip service. This is the biggest crock of shit I’m probably going to read on the internet today.

      • admin@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        4·
        2 months ago

        Maybe if you didn’t keep your head inside your ass you’d feel a bit embarrassed of saying stupid shit online. The confidence you have to say stuff like that is truly perplexing.

  • Boddhisatva@lemmy.world
    English
    961·
    2 months ago

    I hate fascism.

    So he fought for Putin to invade Ukraine? That’s some top tier thinking there.

  • tauren@lemm.eeEnglish
    57·
    2 months ago

    Bro didn’t like that Israel invaded Gaza, so he joined Russian army in their invasion of Ukraine to make it right 🤷‍♂️

  • betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.worldEnglish
    452·
    2 months ago

    I certainly don’t recommend following the link to his obituary from the article and reading the entries in the traitor’s tribute book.

    Example of some of those entries:

    Edit: Somebody noticed.

    Since they took the page down...

          • betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            2 months ago

            Interesting, are you using a web browser or one of the apps?

            Here are the posts I grabbed before the killjoys answered their urgent texts to shut it all down:

          • betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            2 months ago

            Ended up answering my own question once I remembered the button that sent me to the lemmy.zip version of the thread, seems like that instance is failing to fetch the updates rather than this being a browser/app issue. That’s also why I’m double-replying to this comment rather than editing my other one here. Might be worth a message to the .zip instance admin(s) in case something’s busted, just going to check around first and see if it’s a known issue.

            Edit that you might not see for a while: Looks like they’ve been doing some updates and other maintenance recently, might just take some time for the dust to settle from all of that. Can see the federation status between .world and .zip here.

            • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zipEnglish
              2·
              2 months ago

              Interesting, looks like it’s visible from almost all other instances, although I did find a couple where it’s not. I can’t see any differences due to lemmy version either (most instances are 19.11, where the edit is visible, but midwest.social is also on .11 and it’s not visible-- whereas lemmy.nz is on .10 and it’s also not there). Maybe I’ll shoot a message over to admin like you suggested.

              Thx for posting the screenshots

              • betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                2 months ago

                (Possibly invisible edit to prior comment)

                Looks like they’ve been doing some updates and other maintenance recently, might just take some time for the dust to settle from all of that. Can see the federation status between .world and .zip here.

                Seems like they’re aware of ongoing issues, maybe give it a couple days and see if things improve first. In any event, my pleasure. Gotta preserve art when you find it.

    • admin@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      4·
      2 months ago

      Have y’all tried tater tots? My gf introduced me to them and I swear she makes the best ones!

  • Burninator05@lemmy.worldEnglish
    32·
    2 months ago

    How does someone keep a security clearance high enough to be a CIA Deputy Director when you have a child fighting in a foreign army?

  • Phoenixz@lemmy.caEnglish
    31·
    2 months ago

    I hate fascism so I join the Russian army

    I hate having to watch mental gymnastics like that right before going to sleep. How dumb is you

  • Freefall@lemmy.worldEnglish
    252·
    2 months ago

    Hahaha he hates fascists, fights for one and gets ganked. LOL. GJ nerd, didn’t you know, dieing is what the Orks do?

    • andybytes@programming.devEnglish
      425·
      2 months ago

      In 2014, the CIA sponsored a coup that overthrew the democratically elected government of Ukraine. The Nationalist or the Nazis are now in charge and Zelensky is their dildo, which is fucking us as we shell over more and more money to a war that was never to be won. The liberals fell for the last war that lasted 20 years because they wanted to save the oppressed Muslim women because they had to wear sheets over their heads. When in reality, American interventionism has destroyed their cultures. Liberals make me fucking sick. I’d rather hug a full-blown clear as bell hog fascist than ever cuddle up to a self-absorbed in denial Neo-liberal fascist yet, Putin can suck my dick, both China and Russia are capitalist countries, and at the root of all of our problems is the capitalist economic system. Everybody thinks they’re right. Everybody thinks they’re so fucking smart. There are no arms to run to. No wars worth fighting. For there is no war but the class war.

      • orgrinrt@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        1 month ago

        Unfortunately, while a respectable and understandable sentiment, there are wars other than the class war. The class war does extend to those other wars too, in that the distribution of those sent to their deaths and those eating caviar at home while crossing off numbers and names from lists are almost always in direct correlation with the concept of class, but the war itself is not merely about class or even the sides of the class war.

        There’s more to life than the material. There’s culture, there’s identity, and there are individual humans that do exist standalone outside of their “class”. While the classes and the oppressing hierarchies of the world do play a part in everything, and anything can’t be entirely isolated from those, from that reality, it’s not the sole disagreement between people and bodies of people.

        We hold immaterial things valuable, which I think is natural and very human. Some of those exist entirely outside of the class distribution or distinctions. While some immaterial things like power and influence do correlate with material possessions and thus, the hierarchies at large, the classes, some do not. And sometimes things like national identity, attachment to the language you were taught and you speak, your preference in music, sexuality or otherwise, can be the thing you either fight to forbid and exterminate (such as Russia is doing here), or you fight for, to preserve, to defend, to hold dear and be able to hold dear in the future too.

        Life is complex. Humans are complex.

        Not everything can be simplified and reduced to simple power hierarchies. There are strong, powerful stuff that exists exclusively outside of those definitions. And that’s only because we are irrational, feeling, dreaming humans. And we’re better for it, too.

    • andybytes@programming.devEnglish
      226·
      2 months ago

      Read the book by Barbara Walters. How Civil Wars Start and How to Stop Them. I probably don’t agree with her politically but I trust her abilities that she has a lot to offer on explaining. how governments destroy other governments via asymmetrical and/or proxy war and state sponsored terrorism. Through direct and indirect measures, all forms of terrorism is curated and created by state actors. I hate Putin. But he had every right for what he did. And like a self-fulfilling prophecy, Europe is pissing its pants… they made their bed, now they got a lay in it. But the Yankee had a lot to do with it. Most people live in a vacuum, and each conflict is like a whole new world to them. When in reality war never ends, the book of history never closes. Capitalism will always be riddled with conflict. Cooperation is the rule of civilization. Competition is the rule of the jungle.

      • Geobloke@lemm.eeEnglish
        4·
        1 month ago

        Why didn’t he start the war when the Baltics joined Nato and surrounded Kaliningrad?

        How about when we hear that treaty negotiations require the wholesale destruction of the enabling Nazi infrastructure in Ukraine

        Are there demands for anyone to stand trial for genocide in the Hague as part of the treaty?

        Nah, it’s all about land

      • nico198X@feddit.nlEnglish
        3·
        1 month ago

        You’ve been propagandized.

        Ukraine wants and deserves to be free of Russian imperialism.

    • andybytes@programming.devEnglish
      533·
      2 months ago

      Liberals are too stupid to understand how tragic this all is. None of these conflicts are worth dying for, and it’s all about rich people and their investments. Fucking disgusting.

      • Dr. Moose@lemmy.worldEnglish
        17·
        1 month ago

        Umm your home being invaded and your friends and family being tortured, raped and murdered is like one of the very few things worth dying for, no?

      • sunflowercowboy@feddit.orgEnglish
        2·
        1 month ago

        By the end ‘he loved russia’ and he had fully believed the ‘conspiracies’. It is sad a soul has bled this earth amiss the political manipulations and turmoil. However he was happy in his service, happy in his bloodshed.

        Let us be happy in his death, for now more shall live because he no longer wields weapons worth waging war.