• Supervisor194@lemmy.world
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      14 days ago

      Yeah no. Even if the United States sits out on it’s dumb fat orange ass, Russia is not likely looking to pick an active fight with all of Europe when it’s disinformation warfare can disassemble Europe from the inside out, given enough time.

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        14 days ago

        An active fight? Yeah, that’s not going to happen. A passive one, though? Might be an option. Carlo Masala recently published his new book If Russia wins: a scenario (No English translation yet). In it, he draws up a scenario where Russia, after defeating Ukraine, annexes a small Estonian town to test NATO’s resolve in the face of a limited Russian aggression. He bases this scenario on the German Re-occupation of the Rhineland, during which German troops had they faced any serious resistance by allied forces would have had to retreat. In the book NATO members are divided and dismiss the Estonians request for help under Article 5.

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          14 days ago

          If even a cm of NATO is invaded and not acted on the alliance is worthless. For each nations safety, they must act or be defenceless going forward.

          There is zero chance Russia is ever getting away with that, especially after burning all their bridges in Ukraine.

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            14 days ago

            There is zero chance Russia is ever getting away with that

            Is there? Given the rather reluctant support of Ukraine, which is about just enough to keep them in the fight, I’m afraid that at least some NATO members would rather give away a symbolic chunk of land than start a military confrontation. And yes, that would be the end of NATO.

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            14 days ago

            Romania and Poland had multiple opportunities to show something when shahed drones fly and crash/explode over their territory, they chose to do nothing every time. When these nations are so afraid of even destroying drones over their own aerospace muscovytes will invade whoever they want and other nato countries will just cower and pretend that everything is fine.

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          14 days ago

          An active fight? Yeah, that’s not going to happen.

          You don’t understand russian culture and mentality. Although in your defence, this is relatively common.

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              14 days ago

              They would very much be willing to conquer the Baltic nations if the opportunity shows itself. The russians are obsessed with colonizing the baltics.

              The author that you referred to, does he speak russian? Estonian? Ukrainian? I am genuinely curious.

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                14 days ago

                They would very much be willing to conquer the Baltic nations if the opportunity shows itself.

                I very much understand that but there is no such opportunity for an all out conquest until NATO is no more.

                The author that you referred to, does he speak russian? Estonian? Ukrainian?

                I don’t know.

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                  14 days ago

                  Depends what you mean by NATO is no more. I can even imagine some scenarios where the end of NATO might make it less likely that they would invade. It all depends on the context.

                  My general point was that commentators in the west (and politicians and even the local) often treat russia as they want to see it, not how it is (i.e. based on historical fact and decades of quantitative and qualitative research on society in the current iteration of the russian empire).

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                I’m really interested in how they could invade and occupy a Baltic state when their Baltic sea fleet is almost all underwater.

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          14 days ago

          Neither does getting their poor struggling asses handed to them. But I don’t know if Putin is sane enough still to know that.

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        14 days ago

        They aren’t being run by rational people, so they probably will attack, and most of the europe will suck it up.