You leftist rabble-rousers with your lofty ideals of “not doing a genocide” don’t know anything about getting elected and getting things done
*loses 2 elections to the most disliked president in history*
DAMN YOU PUTIN!
You gotta understand, we only had three months to distance ourselves from Biden but also didn’t want to. It was the only way to make sure the donors were happy. You understand right? Stop blaming us for taking no positions and blame yourself for demanding us to take a position to secure your vote. It was a completely unreasonable ask and you knew it!
No one said it was fine that Harris supported Israel.
What we all said was there are only two candidates who could win the election, and they both support the genocide. We condemned the one-sided criticism, not the facts.
Since we are in a post election situation, by constantly scape goating voters, you are doing one sided criticism.
Trump helps genocide and he is a bad guy, Biden and Harris help genocide but the voters should have accepted it essentially.
If we refuse to hold the dems accountable for their actions which directly led to Trump winning, they will plot the same course for the next election.
If we refuse to hold the dems accountable for their actions which directly led to Trump winning, they will plot the same course for the next election.
Yes, that’s the idea. No centrist wants to stop the genocide. It’s not like it’s something centrists do want to stop, like raising the minimum wage or universal healthcare or cannabis legalization or anything they run on.
Am I? More people voted against Trump than for him. If the third-party voters accepted that they can’t change the rigged system by voting third-party, Harris would’ve won.
If the dems had catered to voters instead of kneeling in front of a foreign apartheid state and its genocide, Harris would have won.
Politicians can choose what they represent and the platform they put forward. I don’t want to have to vote for genocide so democracy can live again, I want the dems to drop their pro-genocide stance. Blaming voters is the opposite of asking for change.
Be glad those third parties exist. Those people would have spite voted for Trump instead, not for Harris.
At least they’d be forced to own their complicity instead of hiding behind a pointless action.
At the moment of voting there was only one choice which had been complicit in genocide up to that point.
Are you for real?
Trump repealed restrictions on Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory. Netanyahu was so grateful, he named a settlement after him in occupied Golan Heights. He also said Israel needs to “finish the job” and stop recording their atrocities because they’re “losing the PR war.”
The were too small a demographic to listen to, but they were so influential that they’re responsible for trump.
Sounds like they’re kingmakers and maybe they should have been treated accordingly. But that will require belatedly abandoning support for genocide, so centrists never will.
Actually a huge number of people said it was fine that Harris supported Israel, as well as a huge number who engaged in heavy denialism about Harris’ support of genocide.
What we all said was there are only two candidates who could win the election
Yeah, Joe Biden and Donald Trump, I remember.
A Democrat or a Republican. Welcome to the United States. Select one of the two or one will be selected for you.
I saw a ton of people that tried to say Kamala would be better without any actual evidence of that.
Do you think she would’ve upgraded the 5-ton bombs to 10-ton bombs, and provided bulldozers to turn the West Bank into a billionaire resort too?
According to recent reports stating that Biden never applied any pressure to israel, and considering she never made herself different than him on israel, I have no doubt if they asked she would have.
If you never said that harris shouldn’t be supporting genocide, you never encountered it.
Nooooo guys!!! Biden genocide was better than Trump genocide! 😡😡 You don’t understand, he said he was trying not bomb children!!! 😢
I know I’ll get downvoted for this, and to be clear, all of our governments supporting this genocide are absolute bullshit and capitalism is bullshit.
However, at least you had one choice that wasn’t actively also trying to destroy your own country and take away the rights of people in your own country to such an extent that they now can’t even worry about what’s happening elsewhere because they’re too worried trying to find healthcare and not get deported, killed, or permanently detained.
If you were going to not vote in order to take down the system, then show up and take down the god damn fucking system.
However, at least you had one choice that wasn’t actively also trying to destroy your own country
When a normal, moral person discover that a country is hellbent on genocide, they would think that destroying that country is a good thing.
take away the rights of people in your own country
The genocide in the colonies must continue for the benefit of the people in the capital.
they now can’t even worry about what’s happening elsewhere
So you were worrying before? Certainly didn’t accomplish anything.
Thank you, no need for me to add anything
Let me give you this dilemma, given the imperial nature of the US and that you need an overhaul of the system, isn’t trump the perfect candidate to vote to do just that?
“I’ll get downvoted for this but…” Says the most valid take everNevermind
The valid take of “yes the people I support are committing the worst acts imaginable to mankind, but I stand to personally benefit, so it’s actually good to support them.”
You made me think I supported someone who was against Palestine, he literally does not say that, you only infer that just because he isn’t fully anti-democrat and is using the ‘lesser evil’ arguementOh the thinks Palestine/Hamas will destroy Israel nevermind
Where the fuck did I say Palestine would destroy Israel?
I am 100% pro-Palestine, I just genuinely do not understand how voting someone in who has exponentially sped up the genocide and sped up the suffering of brown, queer people and women, in his own country is somehow the more moral choice in all of this. It doesn’t make any fucking sense to me.
I mean it is though, at least from a numbers perspective.
Neither should happen but since i don’t get that choice, I choose the option that saves millions of lives.
Not to mention the US is now party to the Ukraine genocide too.
not to mention the real threat to foreign born citizens and LGBTQ people in the United States itself.
So yes Biden is better even if we are dealing with shades of black
This is also false. Biden drastically upped the military aid to Israel after Trump left office.
The US democrats are a vicious, genocidal party.
We need a party that is actually anti-oppression and doesn’t just pay it lip service.
he isn’t even lip service, never once has he acknowldged there being a genocide in Gaza
Its also one we have a better chance to influence. What serious organization for progressives is there?
You had a zero percent chance of influencing the Democrats, as evidenced by over a year of complete failure to do so. So no, you didn’t have a better chance to influence them
What serious organization for progressives is there?
If you don’t have an answer for this you are just trolling and not serious about any matter.
You can’t answer it either, lol, that’s why you’ve been reduced to pretending you can influence the Dems when you’ve conclusively demonstrated that you can’t.
But that makes sense, given that you admitted to being a troll.
You can’t answer it either, lol, that’s why you’ve been reduced to pretending you can influence the Dems when you’ve conclusively demonstrated that you can’t.
I did answer it and you are making fun of my answer right there. Fair enough, but I have asked you what your ideas are, and all you can say is to twiddle your thumbs.
Voting dem and making it more progressive is an actionable item. What is your alternative that is so much better?
Democrats are retaliating against David Hogg as a direct result of his serious organization to primary shitlibs.
Its also one we have a better chance to influence.
Lol. LMAO, even. We can’t get them to lift a finger against fascism, dude
Lol. LMAO, even. We can’t get them to lift a finger against fascism, dude
what chances do we have with Trump then?
So far Trump has proven easier to influence against Israel just because of how petty he is.
It’s okay, we got it. You supported genocide and now you are trying to justify it so you can sleep at night.
The only true unserious people here are those who defend a genocidal monster even when the monster literally confessed to be one.
Have a shower.
Its also one we have a better chance to influence.
What fucking garbage. democrats only listen to republicans and netanyahu.
You did not have to preface it with pretending to save anyone. You simply care only about yourself and you do not care about anyone else.
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Stop pretending to allow a genocide because you are trying to save other people. When this doesn’t cross your red line you have no empathy.
What the actual fuck ? Unhinged
❌ Please try again
I mean it is though, at least from a numbers perspective.
And which numbers are those? Oh, you meant vibes.
Okay, but then if we point our finger at your face and call you a genocide supporter, you shut up and take it right?! Right?
no i wouldn’t because i don’t support it and your inability to see shades of gray will paint darker and darker paths
‘I don’t support it but I directly cast my vote for the people responsible’.
Ahahah sure brother sure. Keep saying this to yourself.
When people start talking about “shades of gray” with regards to genocide, they 100% support genocide
and your abstinence vote 200% supports genocide, you not only gave your vote away to trump, but you actively sabotaged the dems chances
You have no idea how I voted, or if I live in a swing state, or if I’m even eligible to vote, so shut your presumptuous mouth. More to the point, only a BlueMaga lunatic could try to claim that not voting for genocide supports genocide twice as much as voting for genocide. Like, you don’t actually believe in anything, not even the meaning of words; you’ll just say whatever you can to confuse and antagonize.
I refuse to believe these people are real and in good faith. One of the two thing must be wrong. You can not be this stupid.
You have no idea how I voted, or if I live in a swing state, or if I’m even eligible to vote, so shut your presumptuous mouth.
centrists don’t care how you vote. If you’re to their left on the only issue any of them care about, everything is your fault.
I think a lot of people are neglecting to think of Biden’s lifetime record in public office. The United States is the nation on Earth with the greatest proportion of its own citizens imprisoned and we have Biden’s 1994 crime bill in large part to thank for that. Unfortunately it wasn’t terribly shocking when he went on to be more supportive of the Palestinian genocide than any other president in US history other than Trump.
They’re not neglecting it, they’re purposefully ignoring it. People will tag (correctly, mind you) Reagan, Nixon, and Dubya as the issue of modern America, but if you bring up the voting/writing record of the most recent Blue Guy, somehow its not their fault, people are allowed to change, people can learn better, etc. etc.
Libs stop thinking in electoralist terms challenge [back-breakingly toilsome]
Democrat politicians abandoned you decades ago and don’t have your interest in mind, please please PLEASE stop defending them/putting your hopes on them (and the electoral Kabuki theater in general) and do something about your situation yourselves. Organize, build community, help people in need, use your privilege where it matters.
It’s too late for elections, even more if that’s the one and only thing you’re willing to do politically. You might “win” a presidential term for a democrat president next time but the damage is already done and everything is rotting around you.
All this dumb bickering about “voting for the lesser evil” is incredibly frustrating for people from countries who endured dictatorships. So if anything, listen to them and act before it’s too late.
I won’t excuse genocide. And apparently I’m the devil because of it.
If someone can excuse genocide that’s a personal failing they should see to.
Watch out, you’re going to upset the folks at lemmy.world
And the german feddit
Feddit already permabanned me for calling the German government Nazis a few weeks ago so their precious eyes are protected from seeing this meme.
The ‘good german’ feddit.
.world is upset anytime someone lightly criticizes their favorite politicans, we can ignore them.
I got plenty of downvotes for not having sympathy for biden the other day
Every liberal would be cheering and partying in the streets if Trump got stage 4 cancer.
Then they turn around and say “Wow you’re so uncivil for cheering for the guy who has aided in a genocide, helped make COVID a permanent issue, ignored kids in cages, and made Trump run again.”
Do they just not see all the issues with their favorite candidates or are they just unable to witness their own doublethink?
Blue MAGA is not a saying born lightly. These people are truly incapable of seeing their own party for the monters they are.
And then when you call them out, you’re calling being a useful idiot for having a braincell that wasn’t fed propaganda for a doupoly.
Every time someone says “Blue MAGA isn’t a thing” I just roll my eyes and recall every time I was right about the DNC failing to protect the democracy they claim to support, and got downvoted, banned, flamed, censored, etc.
Putting a finer point on it, they would be ecstatic if it were Sanders.
If Sanders keeled over, .world would be smugly saying “Aren’t we glad he didn’t have a chance at winning? He would have turned Murica into a socialist commie hellhole!”
Which one though? Is it Xi Jinping? Putin? Charles Taylor? Bush? Blair? Netanyahu? Ratko Mladic? Jean Kambanda? Samphan? Assad (not that old I suppose)?
There are so many of them
ETA: I see the downvotes. I truly have no fucking clue who you are talking about. Duterte? Lukashenko?
I think it’s Biden
Don’t forget Germany, Italy, Canada, UK, and India. They also provided munitions to Israel after October 7th.
And prior.
Thanks. Fair enough.
Most of those names wouldn’t make sense for this meme
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What if I don’t give a flying fuck about Biden? And I find both the people dancing about his nearing demise and the people clutching their pearls about that fucking stupid? There are almost certainly more important things of substance to place your energy into.
I’m so fucking tired.
Genocide is an antiseptic term for a very nasty thing.
I think gloating about cancer is gross.
I also think using cancer as an excuse for hagiography of a man who knowingly sold weapons for an ongoing genocide is gross.
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Got a comment removed yesterday for ‘hate speech’.
Lemmy .world is just Blue MAGA complaining about Reddit being Red MAGA.I saw that; it was particularly ghoulish because it was in a comment section full of actual, overt hate speech. But that hate speech was directed at America’s enemies, so guess who’s catching the ban.
