Amazon CEO Andy Jassy warns remote workers: ‘It’s probably not going to work out for you’::Amazon CEO Andy Jassy told employees who defy his edict to return to the office three days a week that “it’s probably not going to work out for you.”
Jassy told his employees that he spoke to scores of other CEOs and that “virtually all of them” preferred having their employees back in the office.
CEOs try not to think they’re the center of the world, the challenge.
“Should workers be subjected to pointless and dehumanizing drudgery that serves no practical purpose? Find out what this panel of five overpaid CEOs think, after the break.”
In other unbiased polling, the wolf spoke to all the other wolves in the pack and they all prefer that the sheep be eaten.
In similar fashion, an unprecedented unanimous vote was casted by all the worm hunting birds: worms should not live underground.
Workers should unionize. I don’t know if its better but I know it’s something they hate
Don’t want to seem like I’m shitting on unions, but in many cases the established unions themselves are a barrier to real change, as they themselves have been corrupted and/or hamstrung by anti union laws rendering them extremely weak. Ive been in 2 now and was completely surprised by how they actually work these days.
It’s sad
I spoke with virtually all of the workers, and none of them want to pay rent. Yet here we are.
CEOs can get bent through a videocall
CEOs can get bent through a videocall
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To be fair, they largely are the center of our world, and that’s the problem.
Maybe tech workers will finally unionize
Nah, we’re still high on our own farts to realise they can turn foul rather quickly.
It’s not looking good for programers in particular.
The reason why the can get paid as much as they want is 100% based on you being able to jump ship form company to company without having to wait for a company to find common ground between you and them through a union.
Sure, they’ll still be hugely compensated but tech companies will keep abusing interns, freelancers. Obviously outsourcing will explode even more than it already has in the last 10 years.
True, but that’s why you do a trade union instead of a company union. And programmers have a lot to gain. These companies, shareholders, and CEOs rake in billions that could be going to employees.
A programmer will make a feature that saves the company a million dollars and they’ll get paid $100,000 to build it.
Now is the best time for programmers to unionize. Do it when you already have leverage to make sure the good times stay good. Otherwise, we’ll eventually be as replaceable as drafters are now.
Did you mean software engineers? A professional degree is not required but it is mostly software engineers taking the positions. The job title is also software engineer.
I know, I am one. Try not to split hairs
It’s pretty clear you are not part of the industry. Your preference for trade like titles shows you don’t have real world experience in this industry and are just sharing opinions based on your political beliefs with no real basis on reality.
And if you really are in the industry it’s difficult to believe that you failed to realize that 95%+ are not tradesmen and have profesional degrees in software engineering or something similar.
Did he ever say they were Trade Workers? The only time he mentioned Trade that I saw was talking about Trade Unions, which don’t specifically have anything to do with Trade Workers
He described workers as programmers. Only a neophyte would do that.
When called out he doubled down instead of explaining why he doesn’t use the normal title
Lmao
Software engineer is a stupid term akin to calling the guy at Subway a “sandwich engineer”. Which even if stupid doesn’t really affect me. But now, half the time anyone says “engineer” it’s for you programmer dudes, and not real engineers. You’ve destroyed job boards and listings.
I don’t buy it. This isn’t the only mechanism, probably not even the most important one, for why salaries are where they are. Shortage of and especially of highly competent programmers is. In fact this actually underpins why jumping ship is even as easy as it is. Uninionization will provide additional leverage, while not diminishing the shortage pressure. Part of the point is that this leverage can substitute the leverage we have due to the current shortage, if and when it diminishes.
Too many libertarians in tech. Will never happen.
Source. In tech. Not libertarian.
Nothing incompatible about libertarianism and unions. It’s a free market construct, a free association of people formed to put a check on the power of wealth. With a long history of acting as a check on one of the forces that seek to destabilize a free market in favor of state control, one might add (corps love to team up with the state to gain power).
Though, caveat, libertarians might have a word against unions of state employees due to the mechanics of unions bartering against politicians who only stand to lose someone else’s funds (the public), through state mechanisms which libertarians may oppose. Obviously this is more problematic with police unions than teacher’s unions.
Of course, there’s the FOX News “libertarians” who aren’t thinking any of this through and are just rehashing whatever FOX News is slinging. Basically indistinguishable from year 2000 “conservatives” plus all the culture war and 4chan talking points of the last 20 years. (edit: They would most likely be anti-union across the board, of course).
Libertarianism aligns perfectly well with fighting against big corporations. Anything in favor of freedom from a ruling class, whether it be governmental or corporate in nature, should be okay with libertarians.
Yeah i used to get hammered with downvotes whenever id bring up unionizing at ycombinator.
Yeah it blows
Why can’t the world be a meritocracy bro?! Do you hold crypto?! To the moon amiright?! Hey I pull constant on calls and work weekends from the comfort of my chair in my home office I know what hard labour is these union workers have no idea what hard work is bro.
FML.
Jesus forgot one.
It’s easy to just make 6 figures bro I don’t see why everyone says it’s so hard. Just change jobs bro.
Tech Twitter be like
I wish. A union could have easily prevented this.
Amazon employees who refused to relocate near main offices of their teams were told they either have to find a new job internally or leave the company through a “voluntary resignation.”
How dumb does he think people are? This just makes me angry because they’re probably going to get away with it too.
Why would you quit? Continue working from home while lining up a new job. Or, if they don’t specify how long you have to be in on those 3 days, just clock in and go back home an hour later. Game the system, make it work for you. They do.
If you’re 10+ hours away clocking in for 2 minutes isn’t possible.
If you’re ever in this situation, look up constructive dismissal. Basically its better to stay home and be “fired” and refuse the voluntarily resignation. That being said, the USA has a lot less protections for employees then Canada or Europe but it’s good to be informed anyway.
They don’t “game” the system, the make it, and it will always work on their favor.
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Nah, if you’re visibly disabled you’ve got a leg up. Just claim wrongful termination and go for a jury trial.
We were specifically told that it doesn’t count if you’re not at an office the majority of the day. Everybody was joking about doing that at first.
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lmao, “voluntary resignation” is hilarious. If you plan to purge everyone who won’t relocate, you’re gonna have to do a layoff. This isn’t one of those layoffs that will impress investors, because it won’t represent efficiency or cost savings, but instead corporate dysfunction.
If your workers aren’t voluntarily relocating to return to the office, they’re certainly not going to voluntarily forfeit their unemployment benefits by quitting. They’ll just stop working and wait for the pink slip.
Unless they plan to attach a severance more valuable that unemployment benefits to the resignation, they’re fucking dreaming. Even so, that would be a hilarious misstep to offer Amazon employees a voluntary paid exit, because it would undoubtedly result in an unsustainable wave of resignations across the org.
voluntary resignation
I’m not a lawyer, I’m not your lawyer, this is not legal advice, offer not valid in Alaska, Hawaii or Puerto Rico, no warranty, either express or implied, is offered, do not pass go, do not collect $200
With all that out of the way: This “voluntary resignation” garbage is their way of getting out of paying unemployment. If you’re ever in a situation like this where they change job requirements and tell you that if you don’t meet the new requirements you’ve “voluntarily resigned” call them on it. Keep doing the job as you did it before the change and make them fire you. For purposes of collecting unemployment, making broad unilateral changes to job requirements is called “constructive dismissal” and you’d still qualify to collect, but if you just don’t show up at all, turn in your 2 weeks or sign a letter of voluntary resignation then for unemployment purposes you’re considered to have quit rather than been fired and you can’t collect. If they tell you you have to come back to the office and you’re ready to quit about it just keep working from home til they fire you.
Basically (very basically, laws vary state by state and this isn’t a perfect summary of any one state’s laws) the law says that employers are free to ask something different of employees after hire, but that after a certain point changes to the job requirements effectively mean that the employee is now working an entirely different job than what they were hired for. When changes are enough to constitute constructive dismissal the state is essentially treating it as though the employer fired the employee from the original job and simultaneously offered them a new one. Turning down that new job does not disqualify them from collecting unemployment for the old one. This concept was originally implemented to stop employers from avoiding unemployment charges by cutting an employee down to one hour per week or forcing them to work shifts opposite what they signed on for, then hoping they’ll quit rather than be fired. I haven’t seen whether return to office mandates constitute constructive dismissal, and I imagine it will be highly dependent on location and facts (were you hired remote or did you transition to remote from in-office and was the remote status communicated as temporary or permanent/a perk of the job are two that leap to mind). This is why I only recommend following this strategy if you intended to quit anyway. If you want to keep your job do what they tell you to do.
That’s a really nice way of threatening to take away the livelihood and health insurance of people doing work for you.
Today’s workers are too nice…
Well see, we’re kinda trapped right now. We can go chopping heads off, get thrown in the news cycle for a few days, and then continue losing everything we got trapped in anyways.
Get bent, Andy.
For some reason, I read this as
Get bendy, Andy.
Get swifty, Andifty
Take off your pants and shit on the floor
Get some pussy, Andussy.
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The brain drain is real. Wonder how long before this boomer policy hurts Andy’s precious shareholders.
Is it? Would be nice if it’s the case but I imagine they have some numbers making them feel content with this policy.
They think they’re trimming the fat, but in reality all they’re going to have left is gristle. There was a massive brain-drain during and after the layoff craze & project cancellation frenzy, and this is just going to lead to another wave. Andy’s just trying to coast with AWS running on the shoulders of people who simply can’t get hired anywhere else, or are just planning to be comfortable in their rut until they retire.
I mean it’s technically possible. AWS works. Generally maintaining a well working system requires a helluvalot less talent than building it anew. So you might be right. At the same time, they could be counting on new grads not knowing the company’s internal history so they could lure the top with high salaries when they decide they need to fill up the brain. Top grads armed with decent documentation and stale brain support can get to from zero to high competency in a few years. Also they might be bending the rules in parts of the company where they see strategic advantage to keeping talent.
Yeah, you’ve got the idea. Oh, and don’t forget about offshoring entire product lines.
Amazon has a big moat. They could probably fuck up for another 20 years and make a profit.
A voluntary resignation? Good luck with that!
“Yes, I assure you they voluntarily resigned. They tried to resist it but we forced it on them.”
I’ve gotten so much recruitment crap from Amazon. This kind of crap is why none of those worked out for them.
Same. I just ignore them now.
Schedule meetings with them and then don’t show.
Actually a great idea.
I keep telling them I’m not interested, only to have someone new reach out. It’s frustrating. They don’t even pay that well.
I guess if your desperate in the software development/DevOps industries, but even the smaller companies pay as much as they do.
I think my favorite part of the Amazon RTO is the fact that there are many offices that charge you to park there
When I worked in an office I had to pay for parking in addition to paying for gas and wear and tear, ALLLLLLLL so I could have the very valuable experience of working in an open concept office that is perpetually loud and distracting
But yeah… wfh is totally bad for productivity… give me a fucking break
This is common in dense urban locations; parking is expensive, and getting free parking just for working somewhere is not expected at all.
If a company expects me to come in multiple times a week to do their work, they should be paying for that time and money by an increase in salary which covers that expense.
If I can do the same job without incurring that expense, and have been, why should I? All that means is I lose more money from my salary.
One thing that would nip this ‘return to office’ bullshit in the bud would be paid travel time to the office.
If they had to pay us for sitting in traffic instead of our paying to go to work their constant mewling would evaporate as they rush to reduce costs and increase productivity by having us WFH
Uh, maybe, but it is also typical in healthcare and hospitals regardless of their location so your point while technically true is not valid here.
Source: i worked for 10 years at 4 suburban hospital locations with their own parking lots and i always paid for parking, every. fucking. day.
That’s still not ok. It’s just normalized.
I’m confused, my comment is not valid because amazon is a hospital now?
Remote Workers warn Amazon CEO Any Jassy: 'Working for a tyrant is probably not going to work out for us."
Prick
As the planet burns down they think it’s a great idea to force more fossil fuels usage so they can feel important
A large portion of their business relies on rapid manufacturing and delivery. They’re not concerned about the environment
I’m not an expert in Amazon but I thought Jassy was CEO of AWS, which would be amazon web services. For the uninitiated, AWS is basically a hosting company - they don’t just provide web services for amazon.com.
Being the CEO of a company that specializes in using the internet and making those workers come into an office is especially ghoulish.
I was looking at some of the Amazon postings near me, but they’re all down in Irvine.
Pretty much the entire talents pool of LA is off limits to Amazon now.
You know what’s probably not going to work out for you, Andy Jassy? The next proletariat uprising.
That’s never going to happen.
What really won’t work out for him is retention of top talent that values WFH.
Can we also change his wiki to have his middle name be Hugh?
Can’t believe it hasn’t already happened, honestly.
I think civilization will end way before americans grow a pair of balls and stand up against this breed of assholes
