NGL… Yuh
I agree with all this but I feel like Americans are the last people who should lead such a movement. To so many of us, the ones your country has raped and destroyed without apology, i roll my eyes at Americans calling for the end of colonization, genocides and war. It’s like you guys think if you go hard on this war, it will forgive all the centuries of genocide. My people were treated like refuse by Americans for decades, then without apology or reparations , white American kids are now preaching at my indigenous ass about privilege and genocide.
You can’t even call out the hypocrisy or you get hated on. I’ve never experienced as much hate and racism towards my culture from the left, as I have this past 2 years. You expect that shit from the right, but the American left went insane this cycle too
The people that treated your people like refuse are not the same people as the ones protesting against atrocities.
Lumping a whole population together and stereotyping them is wrong, no matter who you’re targeting with your stereotypes.
I dont oppose donald trump because im a democrat or a liberal.
I oppose donald trump because im not a fucking psychopath.
Opposing donald trump is so obvious, so common sense, such a bare-minimum, fundamental-level, being a human 101 position that if it isn’t immediately self-evident to you after learning the basic facts, your problem is, much, much deeper than whatever ideology or bias or prejudice you might happen to have. There’s something wrong with you as a person.
Even most of the conservative politicians in the US seemed to take this approach, until he started winning (read also: liberal politicians failed to counter his right-wing populism).
What is the point of this completely off topic non-sequitor?
It’s the same template as the original post. Parallels are being drawn between support for Trump and support for Israeli genocide.
I mean… I’ve been saying similar stuff for a while. I’m not on anyone’s side specifically. I live far enough away to not be affected by the situation and for my opinion to have no affect on the situation. Simply put: it’s not useful for me to have an opinion, so I don’t have one.
HOWEVER: I always have and always will oppose the unnecessary death and cruelty happening. Doesn’t matter where, or who, or when… If some group is killing another group, I don’t like that.
The only good reason to use violence on a global stage is to stop violence; aka self defense. Like what’s happening to the Ukraine, as a simple example. The Ukraine is well within their right to defend themselves and their land from a foreign invader. I am opposed to the Russian army marching across international borders and seizing land by killing whomever tries to stop them and/or whomever is there. Not cool. I dislike Russia’s actions there. I don’t dislike Russia’s or Russians, I don’t have a problem with any individual person. I have a problem with the decision that was made at the highest levels of government to invade.
Same thing here. I could not care less which side is comprised of what people’s of what culture or religion… I just don’t like that one group is invading/bombing/killing the other. I have no animosity towards those defending themselves, trying to not get killed…
I don’t know why everyone needs to make every opinion on the matter a question of race, religion, or whatever. I don’t care, just stop murdering eachother.
Nice work trying to make the genocide in Gaza be about Ukraine.
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This astrology grifter is phony AF. She suddenly became political a few years ago by promoting the invasion of ukraine. Peak russian asset.
Notice the implied anti-semitism and missing zionism. It’s a pattern.
Please don’t promote this crap just because it sounds “good”. Free Palestine.
Thanks for the headsup. I’ve edited out her details so only the message is visible.
This astrology grifter is phony AF.
Ad hominem. Doesn’t invalidate the words above.
Notice the implied anti-semitism and missing zionism.
I noticed no implied anti-semitism. I noticed explicit criticism of the Israeli government.
Please don’t promote this crap just because it sounds “good”.
True. Promote it to highlight the genocide that is currently occurring.
Free Palestine.
Agreed, but I suspect yours isn’t genuine.
how do I boost on lemmy
Isn’t being against war and genocide the same as anti-imperialism? I hate how saying “War is bad” has become so controversial and extremist.
I think there will be consequences for Israel’s crimes, just not today.
Israel is destroying its reputation and its future with its current actions. Yet no power in the world can stop them today, because they have waay too many weapons.
I think there will be consequences for innocent Jews who have nothing to do with the Israeli genocide. This sort of behavior gives ammo and a perception of legitimacy to antisemites. Israel is making things harder for Jews worldwide for years to come.
This is why it is important to separate anti-semitism and anti-zionism.
Have there been consequences for the United States’ or Canada’s genocides against Indigenous peoples? Not really.
People can just get away with things unless you make them pay for it.
EDIT case in point, 200 years from now we could be celebrating the jewel of democracy Israel, while “acknowledging its troubled past” but you’re still doing this over the bones of the people your predecessors slaughtered. I’m not even saying it wouldn’t be genuine, like people today in the US and Canada bemoan the actions of previous colonizers. But the fact of what happened remains immutable. The slaughter happened, and the people who committed it accomplished their aims. They got away with it.
I think there will be consequences for Israel’s crimes, just not today.
Possibly, but that won’t help the dead kids. The focus must be on stopping the genocide as quickly as possible. Finding and punishing the perps can wait.
The death of religious spirituality at the hands of religious identity.
I think there will be consequences for Israel’s crimes, just not today.
I hope you’re right.
let’s discuss why people are supporting governments, politicians and companies backing the genocide
Because western ideology is ultimately ultranationalism, they will always support their country against others.
by this logic Allies committed genocide against Germans in ww2
this video from 2018 watch it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voF7KCOm6eY
Shut up, killing innocent civilians is a war crime. It doesn’t matter what your justification is, killing civilians is wrong and if you don’t feel bad about it you are broken inside.
no one is saying it is right smart ass, i am just saying you should accuse the entity that militarizes civillian areas
As I know we have no other information source about hamas using civilian infrastructure like hospitals as military bases than the IDF. That’s because no external journalists are allowed in gaza by the IDF. And in the beginning exactly this IDF also claimed they don’t target hospitals and it was a hamas rocket that hit the biggest hospital of gaza. Now there is not a single hospital left. So maybe we shouldn’t believe this kind of information. Also there are other methods than bombing the whole area if the enemy is really using civilian infrastructure as military bases. So it’s still on the attacker if civilians die. Especially if the attacker has massive military capacities and options for other methods like in the case of the IDF.
It doesn’t matter what your justification is, killing civilians is wrong
Do you know how to read?
IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT YOUR JUSTIFICATION IS
What to do then in a situation where civilians are killing other civilians?
Its wrong for anyone to kill civilians, what are you talking about?
ok but who is to blame for their deaths? the allies or axis ?
The people that drop bombs on civilians are responsible for killing civilians.
The people who starve a population are responsible for starving a population.IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT THE JUSTIFICATION IS
What’s your point with this? That the allies were right to bomb civilians? That we can have a little genocide, as a treat?
collateral damage bad, but Germans using civilians as human shield also bad, so blame should be on germans not allies
I guess I should read the article
The allies didn’t try to completely wipe out the population of Germany to replace them with their own colonists.
Don’t bother with people stuck in earlier stages of development. All they hear are excuses and immorality
I would rather bother them very loudly.
You shouldn’t blame Zionism on a mental illness. Zionism is a choice to be awful.
I think all fascism is a mental illness.
Luckily, there is a treatment, as demonstrated by one of its most famous sufferers. It can even be self administered!
I’m all for suicide jokes, but equating fascism with mental illness is taking the joke too far.
More like a plague, but it is. It is genuinely a sickness.
Edit: fascists are not well, and should not be allowed to make decisions.
Neurodivergent people should be allowed to make decisions. Fascists should be shot. That’s the difference.
Sure, because theyre a danger to the rest of us, it’s incurable, and they’re in terrible suffering. And also because it’s funny.
Are bad/lacking morals a mental illness? Seriously, at what point do we draw the line? It’s a curious topic.
No, they’re not. When psychologists become the arbiters of correct morality and pathologise disagreement, society is fucked.
You’re thinking of what happens when good people make the rules. But what if people like Freud were in charge of calling certain moral values illnesses? We already have enough problems with things like homosexuality being called a mental illness. What if Trump Derangement Syndrome were in the DSM?
It’s working it’s way in there. Give it a few more years and they’ll be able to institutionalize us for TDS.
What if Trump Derangement Syndrome were in the DSM?
IDK but I’ve definitely self-diagnosed with it.
Faith isn’t the reason, it’s the excuse
I didn’t say it was faith either. It’s not mental illness or faith.
To be fair the OP didn’t call it mental illness either. They said something was wrong with them as a person.
It is a conscious decision to commit genocide, using Judaism as a cover to protect them from criticism. Intentionally bombing children does mean something is wrong with you IMO
Notice how OP used the term butchery? Like a conflict between two powers of different scale. It’s a war not a genocide. I believe Hamas is the one that actively calls for genocide “kill all the Jews? Death to america?”. That’s pretty much the mission objective: it’s frequently stated. Comes from Iran like all the funny news you listen too.
Israel just doesn’t give a fuck about civilian casualties. War crimes absolutely. Couple of day keeps the terrorism away that’s their motto.
Both sides are bad, but you’re actively supporting the one that actively is pursuing genocide while verbally proclaiming it.
If Israel wanted to commit a genocide of the Palestinian people, it would’ve been done decades ago because of the imbalance of military power.
religion is a powerful motivator, often used to get gullibles to commit awful crimes
They said they oppose genocide because they’re not a psychop*th. That’s not appropriate language. We don’t use slurs, and we don’t blame Zionism on ASPD.
That’s not what she does. Being a bad person or even being a psychopath is not considered a mental illness.
In a certain sense you’re right; psychop*th is Greek for “suffering soul”. It’s supposed to just refer to the abstract idea of mental illness. But in practice, it’s a slur against ASPD. And even if that weren’t the case, using the Greek word for mentally ill person as an insult is disgusting behaviour.
I’m talking about psychology, not history. Sociopathy is not considered an illness.
“Yeah but Palestinians are subhuman and therefore don’t deserve human empathy” - Israel,
probablyactuallyAnimal stereotypes of Palestinians in Israeli discourse - Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_stereotypes_of_Palestinians_in_Israeli_discourse
Out of curiosity I checked out the inverse article and to my great surprise (/s) it didn’t start by mentioning israely dehumanization of palestinians. It sid however mention someone’s opinion that dehumanization was ignored when palestinians did it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_stereotypes_of_Jews_in_Palestinian_discourse
Jesus, how much have the Zionists modified that Wiki article? A text supposedly about how Israelis dehumanize Palestinians repeatedly starts by reciting the issue with Palestinians and Muslims dehumanizing Jews? This is the first mention of the details of dehumanization:
“Among Palestinians, Israelis have been referred to as pigs, dogs, and bloodsucking vampires, while in Israeli discourse references to Palestinians as savage animals and or repugnant critters has also been attested, and at least once, protesting Gazans have been described as mere ammunition weaponized by their “cannibal” leaders.”
And this is the first paragraph under “Background”:
“Even though Jews, like a number of other religious minorities, Christians included, were accorded protected status in Islamic societies, the use of abusive stereotypes was not uncommon, some of them were grounded in Quranic and early scholarly traditions.”
Is this about Israeli dehumanization of Palestinians? WTF? Let’s always start by reciting how Muslims maybe kind of deserve it, or maybe bring the dehumanization on themselves.
No but you antisemites just dont understand! Exterminating the hamas people is the culture of the jewish people¹. So really, by stopping the ‘genocide’, youre actually doing genocide against a proud 5000 year old culture! Youre literally hitler, who was actually just an innocent tool duped by hamas btw.
¹those weak subhuman diaspora ‘jews’ may try to mislead you about that. Clearly this is just internalized antisemitism.
This will be a terrible mark on human history. When the world watched as internet personalities sailed into Gaza to provide aid. When we did nothing as women and children starved to death before our eyes.
Who will be ignored next?
Who will be ignored next?
- Sudan
- Myanmar
- Armenia
- Afghanistan
- Tibet
These aren’t next, these are already forgotten even though they’re catastrophes. Hell, even Ukraine is being forgotten even though it’s one the biggest wars in 21st century. When India and Pakistan looked like they were about to go to war, this Israel/Palestine war was also pushed to the back of people’s minds.
I think this is the just the nature of humans. People want to think they’re noble and righteous, but they won’t actually do anything, and the moment a new war starts they’ll move on to that because it’s new and we have short attention spands.
How fast we forgot Syria. Erdogan still bombing Kobane for example.
I think it’s media bias and sensationalism. It happens when journalism has a profit incentive and is owned by 4 or 5 oligarchs/ultra-wealthy.
Who will be ignored next?
I hate to say it, but there hasn’t been a time in modern history where there weren’t women and children starving while the rest of the world did nothing.
Yes, but I’m also a commie lol.
Socialist here: fuck tankies :D
Leftist infighting serves the capitalists
Yeah, but they’re not actually a leftist
There are no true scotsmen except me
Only if theyre cute enough to put up with their bullshit.
I can agree with that.
Lol, the only socialist view you’ve ever espoused is hating other leftists. Now go back to defending the police, both-sidesing genocide, and shrieking about communists like a redscare boomer.
Tankies are people who defend authoritarianism, so I don’t understand what you’re saying here.
Small world on lemmy, but Brain is a troll. Just check them out. All their history is derailing conversations and demoralizing leftist movements.
“I don’t understand” is sufficient.
Run along now traitor dumbfuck.
You’re the traitor and a larper.
Just come out as a fascist you coward POS with your 3 day old trolling account.Your mom goes to college you Nazi fuck.
Nah, tankies are people who defend uses of authority that liberals disagree with: you never see people being called tankies for defending the Nordic countries, even though they are undeniably authoritarian by any leftist definition.
Not nah. It has nothing to do with liberal nonsense. Criticizing worthless dumbfuck traitor tankies is something leftists do.
Thanks for that perfectly circular argument.
If you don’t understand the terms circular and argument, I could definitely see how you’d think that.
fuck you then
And a very fuck you, too, comrade. :)
You’re nobody’s comrade.
Nazi supporters should keep that word out of their filthy mouths.Fascist pig
projection, I feast on your tears
??? Support that accusation with any facts about me.
back to Hasan’s Twitch stream now please.
Back to supporting fascists for you then
