• Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works
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    7 hours ago

    I mean, do you want to wait until they actually do have them? I’m not familiar with what Netanyahu has said, but years away seems like a good time to disrupt their program.

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      4 hours ago

      I mean hey, your username is on point for your opinion here but uh, no.

      No, Netanyahu in particular has been stating Iran will have a nuke in months since about 1995.

      Go check the Daily Show’s (or maybe its Jon Stewart’s?) YT channel for a quick montage recap of Bibi literally claiming this ssme thing for 30 fucking years.

      It is 30 years later, and even the official consensus of the US’s own intelligence communities is that Iran does not have a nuke, cannot achieve enrichment beyond about 60%.

      And that only even happened because Trump trashed Obama’s deal with Iran to keep enrichment to only low grade, nuclear power plant levels… which was working, and they were adhering to, and letting the IAEA in to verify.

      Meanwhile they are being bombarded by a hostile nation state that has had nuclear weapons since roughly 1970, that constantly does everything it can to lie about that, to prevent IAEA inspectors from being assigned to them.

      That nation state is Israel, if that wasn’t clear.

      So… Iran was previously cooperative and diplomatic.

      Then Trump was a backstabbing, bellicose buffoon, and Iran… didn’t even revert to MAD, they reverted to roughly 2 steps below MAD, as you’d have to run the 60% enriched uranium through an entire other industrial process to get it to weapons grade, which no one believes they can currently do, and then make that into actual bombs, which is a whole other thing entirely.

      The Iranians have already shown themselves to be quite capable of rational negotiations about nukes, and adhere to agreements.

      It is Israel and the US who have been irrational, agressive and underhanded, who have gone back on their word, and forced Iran into an impossible situation from their POV.

      We could just maybe not act like insane warmongers, and Iran would likely go back to the negotiating table… us assuring them we will stop assasinating their negotiators might be a good first step.

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          44 minutes ago

          So first, I am not a nuclear physicist, just a bored autist with nothing better to do while doing PT full time to recover from a series of injuries.

          That being said:

          Tritium and Deuterium are normally what you’d need for a fission-fusion bomb, or… trying to develop a fusion reactor like a tokamak or what not.

          Tritium and Deuterium are mechanically, industrially, produced in yet again another different kind of process that is not the same as the different stages of uranium enrichment.

          As of right now, the only sources I can find claiming Iran is developing a tritium production capacity… all trace back to here:

          https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/news/nuclear/ncri-reveals-secret-rainbow-tritium-facility-for-nuclear-missile-warheads/

          But this is.directly conflicted with Tulsi Gabbard, Trump’s Director of National Intelligence (basically her job is to oversee all of the US’s various intelligence agencies, hybridize what they are saying into a cohesive big picture)

          https://www.factcheck.org/2025/06/trump-gabbard-comments-on-iran-nuclear-capability/

          https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/americas-spies-say-iran-wasnt-building-a-nuclear-weapon-trump-dismisses-that-assessment

          She mentions nothing about tritium.

          … Tritium alone will not make a nuclear fusion /hydrogen bomb.

          You have to start the fusion reaction with a fission reaction, made out of >90% enriched urananium.

          While it is true that Iran has a lot of 60% enriched uranium… even if they did have tritium… they would still have to further enrich the uranium, and actually build and test an actual nuclear bomb/warhead.

          Making a bomb actually work properly is an entirely other, pretty darn difficult thing to pull off, which is why the precise details of that is basically the most classified info on Earth.

          Currently, as best I can tell, US intelligence agencies as represented by Gabbard have essentially dismissed this NCRI report as flawed or invalid in some way… which is why Trump just said that he doesn’t care, because he has seen this story that originates from NCRI bouncing all over the right wing American media sphere.

          Trump, rather infamously, doesn’t (or potentially can’t) read briefings or documents that are more than about a page long.

          His first admin. was marked by many staffers figuring out stupid ways to overly summarize things, or make any documents he’d need to read be openly praising him, for him to actually read anything… and in this second admin it seems even worse, all he does is watch TV news, and he will claim it is more true than literally the reports from the most expensive intelligence network on the planet…

          … so. yeah. we have insane conspiracy theory rapist racist felonious dementia grandpa for President, and he just believes whatever he wants to, and then his maggat cult followers do the same.

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      7 hours ago

      Do you always advocate preemptive punishment for crimes that have not actually been committed (“yet”)?

      And frankly, I didn’t trust any of the nuclear powers, especially not the US. Fuck sake we have an orange dementia patient in charge!

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        7 hours ago

        Conspiring to commit a crime is a crime in and of itself.

        And I get not trusting the USA, but Iran is a lot more terrifying.

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          6 hours ago

          Way to deflect there, buddy.

          US never had any business “policing” other countries, especially considering how many governments we’ve been responsible for overthrowing - for nothing more than profit.

          And I couldn’t possibly care any less about fear mongering propaganda about how terrifying Iran is. Don’t get me wrong, that fucker in charge is a complete bastard. But I don’t actually know anything other than the message I’m told to believe - by one of the most corrupt nations on the planet.

          Fuck warmongering. ಠ_ಠ

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      4 hours ago

      I don’t think my nation has the right to control what other nations do through military force.

      We do it, but I don’t think we should

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      5 hours ago

      actually have them.

      100% unironically: yes. I’ll tell you why. The US already has them and has used them on civilians twice already.