Skill issue that you can’t spell devastated correctly. Skill issue that you’re always mad online and everyone you interact with can immediately tell you have sub room temp IQ
Did you write for the uncle in Napoleon Dynamite, or is that just how you do? You’ve got your wolf suit on, struttin’, and all that alpha vision of the real Truth®. Yeah. I see you, we all do.
Well, except you, but that’s the whole story right there, innit?
Napoleon Dynamite was extremely well written and had lots of very unique concepts and highly developed characters hidden behind the surface level embarrassing stupidity humor. I also liked that they expanded upon a lot of it in the cartoon followup series.
Sorry did you want me to stay on the topic of you not having any point to make and also having shit takes on a lot of different media? Get us back on track for me.
And fuck if you don’t? Fucking LOOK. What does the Luigi crowd stand for? What’s the CEO stand for? Profits over health? Whose health? Do you think? Or just follow your McDonald’s ass fucking gut feeling?
“Luigi crowd?”
Please, make some fucking sense of it for me so you don’t make me think you’re a moron with no thoughts. I don’t want to, you’ve got to have some fucking basis for this shit, right?
Luigi crowd stands for murdering people you don’t personally like and getting away with it.
The CEO stood for exactly what the CEO who immediately replaced him stands for.
Nothing changed because of Luigi. He’s basically an Anarcho Capitalist who doesnt believe in democracy and instead thinks we all need to police our neighbors with deadly force. Here’s an idea, if you have to kill somebody over the state of healthcare then next time kill the people getting in the way of you having free healthcare: Republican Senators.
He may as well have killed a McDonalds Employee in protest of their corporate office. In fact, his cult almost tried to kill an actual innocent McDonalds employee, too.
Luigi crowd stands for murdering people you don’t personally like and getting away with it.
The CEO stood for exactly what the CEO who immediately replaced him stands for.
I’m unsure how I feel about Luigi (if he is indeed the person who murdered the UHC CEO).
Are you arguing that murder through bureaucratic abstraction doesn’t count as murder? Because that sounds like the same vein as “Hitler didn’t actually kill anyone, he just ordered people to” or “Charles Manson wasn’t actually a murderer, his followers did the killing”. The former CEO intentionally caused death and suffering of thousands of people.
See now you’ve made a claim that offering healthcare coverage is murder.
It doesn’t matter that the company’s terms were shit or that the consumer’s delayed their own treatment and failed to file appeals in the vast vast vast majority of cases, this company’s mere existence net saved lives when compared to the real dark shit like health sharing ministries.
And then, even if what you’re saying were true, if Brian broke into people’s homes at night and stabbed them to death, he is just a fish in a pond, of which the pond is still there swimming with fish.
There is a significant difference between healthcare and insurance. Private insurance, like UHC, makes money by not paying out claims so that they can pocket the money that people pay in premiums. Healthcare is actually treating people’s conditions.
For people with severe illness, this in many cases resulted in their unnecessary deaths. These were not cases of triage to ensure that resources were available to those more likely to survive, it was purely to increase profits. These deaths were the direct result of his pre-meditated actions.
It doesn’t matter that the company’s terms were shit or that the consumer’s delayed their own treatment and failed to file appeals in the vast vast vast majority of cases
Ethically, it absolutely does. The relationship between people in the US and health insurance is an overtly coercive one. People generally do not have any choice in health insurance but that which their current or former employer provides. Engineering a system to provide significant roadblocks and delays results in severely ill people being forced to deal with a situation that they are physically incapable of (from your expressed view, this is the sick people’s own fault?).
And the fraudulent denial of claims and pre-approvals leads to specialists refusing to schedule life-saving treatment at least as often as the patients themselves.
The former CEO commited mass murder with a pen and paperwork, as much as any totalitarian dictator signing the orders for mass executions of innocent people. It’s just that Nixon helped lay the groundwork to make UHC’s murders technically legal.
However, there is no difference between healthcare coverage and insurance. The terms of the insurance are what they will cover in exchange for monthly payments and premiums.
If the treatments were covered then the patient should continue to get care despite a denied claim and should appeal the denied claim, and in the case of delayed care they should sue the insurer.
Is this murder? No. Is this a great system? Fuck no. But it’s the one Americans keep voting for, beyond all fucking reason.
Actually, quite a lot changed with Luigi, but as that’s been discussed on Lemmy all over the place, forward and backward, ad nauseam, we’ll skip it here.
What I’m finding more fascinating is you deriding ‘murdering people you don’t like’ in the first paragraph, and in the third paragraph recommend killing Republican Senators.
Those are diametrically opposed statements, though. Or are you saying murder is fine if it’s someone you don’t like?
I’d also point out that, if you’re judging from results, killing either a corrupt healthcare CEO or a corrupt politician would probably be equally practical. If you’re judging from morals, I’d say they’re also equal.
Anything is permissible if the outcome is good, but you can never operate under uncertainty or on a plan which does not have any clear results.
What Luigi did had no good outcomes and therefor it was just murder, he should bear the weight of his actions instead of run from them. Even if the person he killed actually had some positive impact, such as killing a Republican Senator, I still think the person responsible should face charges head on.
You’re generalizing the Luigi crowd how you see fit. The problem is the fact that corpos pay congressmen to increase profit margins, and CEOs are beholden to boards of directors within that. The problem is that both republicans and democratic senators and representatives are so easy to corrupt through citizens united and super pacs. The problem is that healthcare in America is overpriced and shitty.
The Luigi crowd isn’t the few people focused on their anger, they’re just the loudest. The Luigi crowd, to me, is the bill burr’s that see that Nestle CEO’s that want to hoard and sell rain DO deserve to be shot, or the system needs to change. I don’t pretend to know how, but when money is considered free speech, we end up here.
What about the Epstein list, and the clear evidence of Trump being closely associated with Epstein and Ghislaine?
I don’t think we need to police our neighbors, but when the police commit crimes, what’s the answer? When the authority fucks around, how can they find out? Corpos like united healthcare deny care to people based on their bottom line, and dole out huge amounts profits to the select few at the top that have no relation whatsoever to the research. Their job is to increase profits. That’s the job. And to follow regulations set by congressmen that they tip in their favor with legal bribes.
He didn’t make a difference through the immediate effects of his action, but he republicized the wrongness of the American healthcare system to a new generation, and the fact that the other side is the one that is creating and adjusting new, more fucked up regulations. He became a symbol to a hell of a lot more than his cult you minimize him to.
Which side is the peasants? Is it the one with the Mangione Enterprise heir with an ivy league education?
Idk if Atlas is shrugging but I sure am.
Oh so you’re just a total piece of shit damn
I’m sorry, did you just flex Ayn Rand in that argument? That is some permafrost-level irony.
Its not my fault the hail corporate philosopher takes are aligning with your cult of personality ideology.
Rebutting with a logical fallacy isn’t exactly helping your position, friendo. 🤦🏼♂️ That tracks, though.
Skill issue if you couldn’t parse it.
lol this is legitimately cope
Yeah I was absolutely devestated by the argument they presented “your words not make sense to me”.
Skill issue that you can’t spell devastated correctly. Skill issue that you’re always mad online and everyone you interact with can immediately tell you have sub room temp IQ
Yes clearly from your response the upset one is me, myself.
Did you write for the uncle in Napoleon Dynamite, or is that just how you do? You’ve got your wolf suit on, struttin’, and all that alpha vision of the real Truth®. Yeah. I see you, we all do.
Well, except you, but that’s the whole story right there, innit?
Hot Take
Napoleon Dynamite was extremely well written and had lots of very unique concepts and highly developed characters hidden behind the surface level embarrassing stupidity humor. I also liked that they expanded upon a lot of it in the cartoon followup series.
It was like a sitcom bundled up into a movie, all the characters were fantastic, including Tina!
Kitten, don’t purr. Otter don’t play that shit…
Sorry did you want me to stay on the topic of you not having any point to make and also having shit takes on a lot of different media? Get us back on track for me.
Yes, it is. Because he gave up all of that to take a stand.
told ya folks, big mad 🐸
What’s the other side, though?
Fuck if I know. The luigi crowd will do anything to make it look like theres some coordinated opposition making them the victims.
And fuck if you don’t? Fucking LOOK. What does the Luigi crowd stand for? What’s the CEO stand for? Profits over health? Whose health? Do you think? Or just follow your McDonald’s ass fucking gut feeling?
“Luigi crowd?”
Please, make some fucking sense of it for me so you don’t make me think you’re a moron with no thoughts. I don’t want to, you’ve got to have some fucking basis for this shit, right?
Luigi crowd stands for murdering people you don’t personally like and getting away with it.
The CEO stood for exactly what the CEO who immediately replaced him stands for.
Nothing changed because of Luigi. He’s basically an Anarcho Capitalist who doesnt believe in democracy and instead thinks we all need to police our neighbors with deadly force. Here’s an idea, if you have to kill somebody over the state of healthcare then next time kill the people getting in the way of you having free healthcare: Republican Senators.
He may as well have killed a McDonalds Employee in protest of their corporate office. In fact, his cult almost tried to kill an actual innocent McDonalds employee, too.
I’m unsure how I feel about Luigi (if he is indeed the person who murdered the UHC CEO).
Are you arguing that murder through bureaucratic abstraction doesn’t count as murder? Because that sounds like the same vein as “Hitler didn’t actually kill anyone, he just ordered people to” or “Charles Manson wasn’t actually a murderer, his followers did the killing”. The former CEO intentionally caused death and suffering of thousands of people.
See now you’ve made a claim that offering healthcare coverage is murder.
It doesn’t matter that the company’s terms were shit or that the consumer’s delayed their own treatment and failed to file appeals in the vast vast vast majority of cases, this company’s mere existence net saved lives when compared to the real dark shit like health sharing ministries.
And then, even if what you’re saying were true, if Brian broke into people’s homes at night and stabbed them to death, he is just a fish in a pond, of which the pond is still there swimming with fish.
There is a significant difference between healthcare and insurance. Private insurance, like UHC, makes money by not paying out claims so that they can pocket the money that people pay in premiums. Healthcare is actually treating people’s conditions.
During his tenure, the former CEO oversaw the implementation of a known faulty AI-based automatic claim denial system (https://arstechnica.com/health/2023/11/ai-with-90-error-rate-forces-elderly-out-of-rehab-nursing-homes-suit-claims/), among other actions and policies intended to prevent people from accessing the healthcare that they paid for.
For people with severe illness, this in many cases resulted in their unnecessary deaths. These were not cases of triage to ensure that resources were available to those more likely to survive, it was purely to increase profits. These deaths were the direct result of his pre-meditated actions.
Ethically, it absolutely does. The relationship between people in the US and health insurance is an overtly coercive one. People generally do not have any choice in health insurance but that which their current or former employer provides. Engineering a system to provide significant roadblocks and delays results in severely ill people being forced to deal with a situation that they are physically incapable of (from your expressed view, this is the sick people’s own fault?).
And the fraudulent denial of claims and pre-approvals leads to specialists refusing to schedule life-saving treatment at least as often as the patients themselves.
The former CEO commited mass murder with a pen and paperwork, as much as any totalitarian dictator signing the orders for mass executions of innocent people. It’s just that Nixon helped lay the groundwork to make UHC’s murders technically legal.
However, there is no difference between healthcare coverage and insurance. The terms of the insurance are what they will cover in exchange for monthly payments and premiums.
If the treatments were covered then the patient should continue to get care despite a denied claim and should appeal the denied claim, and in the case of delayed care they should sue the insurer.
Is this murder? No. Is this a great system? Fuck no. But it’s the one Americans keep voting for, beyond all fucking reason.
You mean like how those CEOs are murdering people for profit?
At least the Luigi crowd have an argument.
Lmfao this idiot thinks democrats want “free” healthcare. Good lord you are stupid
Actually, quite a lot changed with Luigi, but as that’s been discussed on Lemmy all over the place, forward and backward, ad nauseam, we’ll skip it here.
What I’m finding more fascinating is you deriding ‘murdering people you don’t like’ in the first paragraph, and in the third paragraph recommend killing Republican Senators.
I was never a moral absolutist. The context and results are different.
Those are diametrically opposed statements, though. Or are you saying murder is fine if it’s someone you don’t like?
I’d also point out that, if you’re judging from results, killing either a corrupt healthcare CEO or a corrupt politician would probably be equally practical. If you’re judging from morals, I’d say they’re also equal.
Anything is permissible if the outcome is good, but you can never operate under uncertainty or on a plan which does not have any clear results.
What Luigi did had no good outcomes and therefor it was just murder, he should bear the weight of his actions instead of run from them. Even if the person he killed actually had some positive impact, such as killing a Republican Senator, I still think the person responsible should face charges head on.
You’re generalizing the Luigi crowd how you see fit. The problem is the fact that corpos pay congressmen to increase profit margins, and CEOs are beholden to boards of directors within that. The problem is that both republicans and democratic senators and representatives are so easy to corrupt through citizens united and super pacs. The problem is that healthcare in America is overpriced and shitty.
The Luigi crowd isn’t the few people focused on their anger, they’re just the loudest. The Luigi crowd, to me, is the bill burr’s that see that Nestle CEO’s that want to hoard and sell rain DO deserve to be shot, or the system needs to change. I don’t pretend to know how, but when money is considered free speech, we end up here.
What about the Epstein list, and the clear evidence of Trump being closely associated with Epstein and Ghislaine?
I don’t think we need to police our neighbors, but when the police commit crimes, what’s the answer? When the authority fucks around, how can they find out? Corpos like united healthcare deny care to people based on their bottom line, and dole out huge amounts profits to the select few at the top that have no relation whatsoever to the research. Their job is to increase profits. That’s the job. And to follow regulations set by congressmen that they tip in their favor with legal bribes.
He didn’t make a difference through the immediate effects of his action, but he republicized the wrongness of the American healthcare system to a new generation, and the fact that the other side is the one that is creating and adjusting new, more fucked up regulations. He became a symbol to a hell of a lot more than his cult you minimize him to.
Atlas shrugged off idiots trying to mooch off technological gain that made VALUE that was worth money. The fuck are you shrugging off?