• Octagon9561@lemmy.ml
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    13 天前

    The fact that there are so many dislikes proves how propagandized the average American is. “How dare you call both sides the same” Well, they ojectively are pretty much the same with few exceptions.

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      Especially for non-Usian people, doubly especially for those on the working end of US “diplomacy” - bombs, coups and sanctions come regardless of which US administration, there is literally no difference whatsoever.

    • PastafARRian@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      13 天前

      One side supports a criminal Nazi apologist who tried to overthrow our Democracy and hasn’t given up yet. The other side brings a knife to the gun fight.

      They’re not even remotely the same. 40 years ago that may have been closer to true.

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        13 天前

        One side supports a criminal Nazi apologist who tried to overthrow our Democracy and hasn’t given up yet.

        And the other side commits genocide. It also overthrows other people’s democracy, but you don’t consider foreigners human.

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            13 天前

            Most Democrats express greater sympathy for Palestinians. That’s not what I would call “committing genocide”.

            Committing genocide is committing genocide. What the fuck is wrong with you?

            What I see is Democrat officials expressing support, but powerless against Republicans who do not.

            Then you had your eyes closed for all of 2024

            That’s not supporting genocide. We’re fighting, but losing.

            Genocide denier

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                Ok, I’ll return your argument strategy exactly as you stated it: [Some thing that in no way resembles anything I said]

                You people really cannot behave in good faith, can you?

                If not, you are a genocide denier and had your eyes closed for all of 2025. What the fuck is wrong with you? You shameful asshole. People are dying and you don’t even give a fuck. You have nothing more to say that I care about until you personally feed an affected person. Hypocrite."

                Incoherent. But I guess I shouldn’t expect more from a genocide apologist fuck like you.

      • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml
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        12 天前

        One side supports a criminal Nazi apologist who tried to overthrow our Democracy and hasn’t given up yet

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      12 天前

      You must be very privileged or very ignorant to see things this way.
      The Democratic Party is somewhat conservative and stand firmly behind capitalism. But they aren’t fascists. Not at all.

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        Uhhhhh yes they are lmao. They just have an insignificantly smaller out group. They consider the rest of the world fair game for death camps, torture, starvation, and everything else Republicans do, and they even agree with most of their most fascist shit (like the children in cages and the Patriot Act, which were not only not stopped but expanded with Dems at the helm).

        They just think gay people and people of color are a sizeable demographic, but not sizeable enough to stop the violence against them, just kind of pretend they’re the only allies.

        They keep doing that because idiots keep buying it. I don’t think Mussolini would have been much better if he copped black slang for his propaganda material and was ok with gay people in the military.

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        Both of them want to kill you and your friends. One is just stupid/racist enough that they’re willing to do away with your labor power ASAP while the other would rather let their billionaire masters squeeze every penny out of you in debt peonage for the rest of your life (hopefully less than 65 years).

        However, I’m far less interested in what they want to do to other gringos than the fact that they’ve been workshopping even worse than this brutality on the rest of us for centuries and y’all were okay with it. You’d continue to be okay with it if there wasn’t a dang Cheeto in the white house or whatever the fuck.

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          Let me rephrase: one of them is willing to let me and my friends die because they’re more interested in making money than providing for our needs, and one of them wants to shoot us in the fucking heads for being queer. But yeah the ones who hate us for being queer aren’t actually worse than the ones who simply don’t care about us

          They also want to shoot you in the head for not being white. But yeah, no worse than the ones who simply don’t care about your wellbeing. In fact, the latter deserves even more of your ire, for some reason

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            One willing to do the bad thing while the other not willing to do anything about it (and resistant towards any change) is just voting between the Uvalde school shooter and the uvalde cops that prevented parents from going in and saving their children.

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            Nice ahistorical analogy, but the democrats have proven very capable of literally killing people abroad for the crime of being brown and desiring autonomy, as well as turning a blind eye when cops and the national security apparatus murder people on a whim at home. So forgive me for not seeing them as polar opposites.

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            me and my friends die

            “Sure, they may be committing a modern Holocaust, but what about MEEEEEEE”

            Western liberals are the most self centred people alive, you literally don’t see foreigners as real people.

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              Meeeeee, and also all of the other non-cishets, non-whites, and non-men

              You’re right though, western liberals are the worst. I’m going to take your advice and become a western conservative, and will be doing my best to actively hurt people, because you think it’s better when American women and gays and nonwhites die than when they don’t

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                all of the other

                Once again, we are reminded that western liberals literally don’t conceptualise foreigners as real people.

                I’m going to take your advice and become a western conservative

                By all means, the difference is entirely performative; conservatives are just more honest about it.

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          We’re talking concentration camp vs no concentration camp here. Child rapist vs no child rapist. International cooperation vs tariff chaos.

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            yes of course history will remember Biden as a historic, effective, deeply moral president who did the right thing when times were rough, and left behind a lasting legacy of peace and progress.

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            Who are you crediting with ‘no concentration camp’ here? The party that performatively cried outside of one and then ignored it when they were in power?

            Are you SERIOUSLY pretending the democrats aren’t complicit in ‘child rapist’??

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            Biden couldn’t stop touching and kissing clearly uncomfortable, random kids in front of hundreds of cameras. He’s been accused of rape. Stop pretending we all live in your Marvel movie concept of the world.

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        Honestly not much changed for me. I wasnt interested in travelling to the US. I am not interested in buying or selling product in the US.

        However i wake up every morning to yet another stream of people being brutally murdered by the US or with US support through US allies. My country keeps hosting a drone relay station integral to US murder programs in the Middle East and everyone in politics pretends this to be okay and the US soldiers stationed here to be totally for our safety and as not being quasi occupied and serving as a logistics hub for invasions, mass murder and genocide.

        Another issue i care about is child rapists not getting away with their crimes. Turns out the US administrations of two Republicans and two Democrats have been covering up a child rapist ring involving thousands of victims and probably as many perpetraitors, with a former D and a current R president among the rapists.

        My country is quasi occupied by a natiom of child rapists and there is reason to believe they rape here too, as the US soldiers are knowm for that.

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        Seriously, this is the kind of bullshit that swings so far left it circles back to right.

        The goal of this administration is to remove existing government institutions and replace them with far right traditionalist based institutions that the creator of the Heritage Foundation (Paul Weyrich) began writing about ~1999.

        I think that we have to look at a whole series of possibilities for bypassing the institutions that are controlled by the enemy. If we expend our energies on fighting on the “turf” they already control, we will probably not accomplish what we hope, and we may spend ourselves to the point of exhaustion. The promising thing about a strategy of separation is that it has more to do with who we are, and what we become, than it does with what the other side is doing and what we are going to do about it.

        The people that created the term “cultural marxism,” want you to believe this stupid both sides are essentially the same shit so you’re less resistant to them dismantling the parts of government that people had to fight very hard for. Voters rights, civil rights, and civil liberties have always been under attack by this same group of people. Now you’ve got this dumbass propaganda telling people that since those rights have always been under attack, you might as well just assume it won’t matter if they cease to exist.

        “I don’t want everybody to vote… As a matter of fact, our leverage in the election quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.” -Paul Weyrich

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            Apologies for the facts and documented history you don’t want to hear 🤷‍♀️

            I know Project 2025 hasn’t been brought up nonstop over the last year or anything, but if you can somehow imagine a publicly available document laying all this shit out point by point, it might help you understand where I’m coming from.

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      “Everyone who is an adult who realizes there is no unicorn party is completely propagandized. I am le very smart.”