I’m sick of religious sex freaks forcing others to adhere to their puritan fetishes
We need to ban organized religion
Or just live and let live…
A tolerant society can not tolerate intolerance. One side will attempt to “just live”, but the intolerant side is incapable of “letting live”, and they will not stop until they replace tolerance with their system of hate.
Why should we? They don’t let us live.
We’ve tried that one.
Sure, but since orgaanised religions can’t help to force others to live by their standards, they need to get out of the way. I’m fine with people needing a comfort measure, even if its in the form of an invisibile friend. Whatever helps people sleep at night. However, when they try to force their ideals down everybody elses throat thats a big no.
So, since they can’t ‘live and let live’ they need to go the way of the dodo, fuck off, and leave the rest of society alone.
Meh, I consider religions as political movements. When they go crazy fundamentalist, try to take over and become destructive, sure, shut them down.
But not just based on their future potential to turn destructive, that can happen to any ideology if the conditions are right.
But what undeniable good thing comes from religion? It’s not just that they have the potential for destruction and hate, it’s that those are the only possible outcomes
What undeniable good thing comes from politics?
We could get unions, consumer protections, housing and food and other necessities guaranteed. We don’t, but we could. Politics is just trying to solidify how things are run. Obviously easily can be used for abuse, but can be used for good. Religion from the first step is to tell you how bad of a person you are and how to resolve it: join a cult, deny personal responsibility for anything and put that on whatever deity or subject for hate at the time, all your answers should be sought through your religion and not outside sources
You’re making a lot of value judgements without a whole lot of evidence to back them up. My point is perfect atheist: religious movements are a type of politics with certain aims (not exactly unions, but incidentally communion, charity, etc). It is you who are saying that religion is somehow a special phenomenon who puts them above other ways to organize society…for the worse. Maybe you think that it is because it is irrational and metaphysical. There is plenty of metaphysics in the form of utopias (heaven) in politics, saints/prophets (cult of personality). You just say that bad comes out of religion, but not out of politics…yeah…ok.
Live and let live is pretty much the antithesis of organised religion
if that was an option we would not have to have this discussion.
And trickle down some economy while we are at it
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Why did we get refugees from r/atheism? rolls eyes
Ew, when did we get reddit’s cringy appeals to the audience talking past the original poster in an ineffectual attempt to throw shade?
People did that on forums before Reddit.
Ah, preachy and unoriginal. Noted.
The majority of the secular world are atheists. Don’t pretend like it is some small subsection just because you live in a bubble of whatever religion you were born into.
Agnostics. Not necessarily atheists. And they sure as hell aren’t sam harris type dickheads about it like this lemmy thread has.
Oh good so I’m not alone
Agnostic sounds like a sub-category of atheism like it is with different beliefs under theism. Ie. It’s Theism vs Atheism, and then everything below the two. If you don’t believe or don’t know if you should believe, then you’re not really a theist, making it atheist.
Bro I don’t believe in God either. To be honest sometimes I wish I did.
Regardles my problem isn’t with atheism but with specifcally Reddit Atheism
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Atheism has never been used as the justification for a genocide - can any major religion claim the same? It’s obviously an extreme example, but at the same time it’s not entirely unreasonable to feel superior when comparisons like that are so easy to make.
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A: that is not what I said
B: So the crusades were what, then?
“Pro life feminist”
A christian conservative group in drag,nothing to see here.
Yep. They drive all the decent people out of anti porn feminist spaces, like the porn is misogyny subreddit. They need to be stopped.
Its more perverted to want to control what other people are jacking to than it is to jack it to porn games. Keep your perversions to yourselves weirdos.
This is the exact thing I’ve always thought about homophobes. It’s pretty gay to get obsessed about what other men do with their dicks.
I like how the language is ‘claims responsibility.’ You know. Like terrorist groups do after an attack
They have suceeded
Here’s something I’ve noticed. Whenever someone describes a group, individual, activity, or anything else with more than 2 negative adjectives in a row, they’re probably saying something deeply unstable. This is one of those times.
It’s a Christian fascist org, so there’s a 100% likelihood of mental illness.
Real
Wait is it Christian or is it Feminist? I’m hearing both
It’s very religiously affiliated. Fundie shit.
There’s nothing feminist about them, they coopted the term to try and lend themself legitimacy. They’re feminist in the same way that DPRK is democratic.
Por que no los dos?
I take offense to this generalization. When I call someone an honorless gormless bitch ass motherfucker I’m relieving stress so when fists start flying I ain’t blinded by my own anger, my instability is only mildly correlated to my verbosity.
Let me sit you down when I say this… but if you’re getting into fights even after relieving stress… it either doesn’t work, or you’re behaving in an unstable manner.
Oh no fights are fun. Tis the curse of my kin, seriously damned near every man on the German side of my family treats fights like a fun time waster. Not saying it’s not instability just that my verbosity is perpetual regardless of my mood or actions, well unless I am physically exhausted then I communicate with a handful of words like a caveman.
Also just cause I’m somewhat calm going into a fight doesn’t mean that the person I hurled insults at is.
OK now I am not one to lob accusations without evidence, but for any of you kind government agents or AIs reading this, let’s say from anywhere within the Five Eyes since we’re talking about Australia:
We have another fanatical religious conservative organization here that is publicly labeling opposition groups pedos. You know how this has trended in the past. Keep an eye on these people.
We have another fanatical religious conservative organization here that is publicly labeling opposition groups pedos.
projection. they want a monopoly on skeezing on the kiddos.
for some reason people will bend themselves into pretzels to give religious people a pass on buggery. here in washington state, we passed a law mandating the reporting of abused children. conservatives and religious types want to keep these children in their abuse.
Don’t be silly. Government surveillance isn’t for the protection of the people, it’s for the protection of the government.
Has the NSA ever caught a terrorist with their massively invasive privacy violating programs, spending the money on that instead of making people better to not become terrorists? Ask the NSA, they’ll tell you they haven’t stopped a single one.
Government surveillance is in service to these people, why else would they care about the privacy and consent of adults in their free time?
McCarthyism back on the menu, heterosexual boys!
Hold up, all this shit because of an extremist group, *in Australia, where half the M games on the market already can’t be sold, is driving global payment processor behavior?!?
Hold up, all this shit because of an extremist group
🌍👨🚀🔫👨🚀 always has been
That was not the important part of my comment
Those are pretty well known TERFs in Australia, I’ve not heard of them in the context of anti-porn shite before though that tracks for TERFs generally, but it’s a safe assumption they’re also probably pretty well connected with the worst people in the US gov-corp ecosystem.
Follow the money.
Follow the lesser amount of money they’ll be making or did you knee-jerk this response?
That is so dumb. How would such a small group have that much pull? It seems like gooners would vastly outnumber them.
In the 90s, in my country, a single person made a webpage stating that Microsoft minesweeper promotes war and violence, so since windows 95 if the Windows locale is set to my language, minesweeper becomes “flower field” and you have to find flowers instead of mines
And if you step on the flower you DIE.
tbf, The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild enforces those principles too.
It was due to the actual active minefields in certain region of the EU. But i was always so confused by that name. ‘Prato fiorito’ does it mean that if I step on the flowers i explode? This is what i thought back than.
That sounds like the whatever version of engrish and I love it
It’s meant to be read like a boris skit, than it works flawlessly.
These people are loud, most gooners don’t want to be loud about it
Never on the bus, no.
Are we wagering this absurdity is built on projection?
cause I’m wagering this absurdity is built on them projecting.
It always is. These are the type of folks who have that feeling of shame wash over after they bust a nut to something they “despise.”
That literally all these types of groups are. They want us to feel the same shame, too. I wish folks could just keep their shit to themselves. Have rules for your own home, sure, but eat shit and rot if you think you should be able to tell me how I should live my life.
I draw the line at abuse, but yeah, otherwise agree.
Totally. I just mean if you don’t want porn or violence in your home more power to ya, but keep your rules to yourself. Let me live and enjoy my life.
Definitely. Always is. And I do mean always.
Ah yes, now anyone who enjoys wanking themselves off in private, is also a Pedo, because they ran out of mean words.
Not just any pedo, but a brain-rotted pedo.
That’s presidential material !
It’s been wild watching that word lose every last bit of meaning over the past few years
Almost like it’s the goal. It’s not, they’re just hacky idiots, but it’s almost like that…
It is, and we need a counter-force.
I truly don’t understand how Visa/MasterCard/etc can be pressured. They are basically infrastructure.
What’s someone going to do, stop using credit cards if they don’t stop a store that person doesn’t even patronize from selling morally hazardous goods?
I don’t get how these campaigns are even effective.
The thing is they are American corporations who care to much about their public image. I would be highly suprised if they national payment platforms would also accept this. (ideal/bankcontant/wero/etc)
Debit Cards, too.
They pressure payment processors through reputation damage and regulatory threats - these companies are terrified of being associated with anything that could trigger banking regulations or get them labeled as “enabling” problematic content in the media, its purely a risk management desicion for them.
Probably just worried Trump will over regulate them if they don’t fall in line with the Christian Radicals.
Cryptocurrency is the solution here, and unfortunately that’s an unpopular take here.
That’s because 90% of cryptocurrency marketing consists of “THINK OF THE GAAAAAAINS YOU CAN MAKE!” instead of “You can use this to buy things without government censorship”.
The entire crypto industry has based itself around being a speculative asset, not a currency.
Which is really unfortunate. If you avoid the most popular coins (Bitcoin, Ethereum, etc), you avoid most of the scams and speculation and end up with a decent currency that respects your privacy and has low fees.
Tell me more
Monero is perhaps the best option imo. Here’s the official page about it, but basically:
- not profitable to mine, so most miners are enthusiasts who want the coin to succeed
- privacy-focused - basically creates a ton of fake transactions to mislead snoopers
- relatively popular - seems to be the most popular coin recommended by privacy enthusiasts (e.g. Mental Outlaw, he even gives a discount on his store for Monero)
- not popular among speculators - they mostly stick to the big ones (BTC and ETH), as well as new startup coins
- low cost transactions, fairly short transaction window
It’s far from ubiquitous, but it’s popular enough that if a place accepts any crypto, there’s a good chance they accept Monero as well.
Is it really the best option when no business uses them?
Some do, which is a lot more than GNU Taler. I don’t know of another digital payment system that has more usage that isn’t dominated by a handful of companies.
Here are some examples of things you can buy today w/ Monero:
- gift cards
- Mullvad VPN
- Based.win - Mental Outlaw’s online store
- a handful of other places, and and some more
It’s far from ubiquitous, but it is being accepted today. If any of those places interest you, I recommend putting a small amount of money into Monero and trying it out.
Not when exchanges still govern taking money out. They are businesses like everything else and will be just as risk averse
You don’t need to use an exchange. You can use a local wallet to store your funds, and then no company controls who/where you send it to.
It’s pretty easy to switch between cryptocurrencies, so they can surely find an exchange that is friendly to their business. That’s way better than the credit card situation where there are only four major processors–Visa, Mastercard, Discover, and American Express–and only two of those actually matter.
None of what you said addresses the problem I mentioned.
Then I guess I don’t understand your problem.
Payment processors like Visa and Mastercard control a huge chunk of the market, which gives them a lot of say in what transactions are allowed. Even if you avoid credit, most debit cards go through those two companies, so they can restrict what transactions you can make.
With cryptocurrencies, there’s no restriction at the point of sale. Your problem seems to be that converting crypto to fiat could be problematic, and they’d potentially be stuck with “useless” currency. My point is that’s a much easier problem to solve:
- if their exchange stops converting a given currency, they can convert to one they do accept
- if their exchange bans their account (e.g. due to the nature of their business), they can switch exchanges
- there are ATMs that dispense cash for crypto
- if no exchange will work with them, they can make direct exchanges with regular people (i.e. “launder” the money)
- they can also spend the currency directly
There are a ton of options to convert crypto to fiat, there are far fewer to select a different fiat payment processor.
I’ll bet.
R placing a bad system with a worse system does not solve the problem
What makes it worse?
One benefit to payment processing for crypto is that there’s little in the way of material limitations on processing payments. The blockchain for a given coin already exists, your job as a processor is primarily to convert those on-chain transactions into and out of other currencies. Only requiring intervention at the point of entering or exiting dollars to and from the system changes a lot of the dynamics.
Supposedly there was a ruling in California that made them responsible.
Do you have any info or links about that?
Unfortunately not. It was mentioned in a lemmy comment.
This whole thing smacks of the “anyone who has a sexual proclivity I claim not to share must have all sexual proclivities I claim not to share” logic. i.e. the logic that got gay people flagged as child molesters back in the bad old days. And occasionally still today.
Such logic might actually be rooted in projection, which is a deeply disturbing thought. Deeply closeted people desperately clinging to heteronormativity and traditional gender roles because they think that if they don’t they they’ll do something abhorrent. Maybe even to someone who can’t consent. Or they already have and they desperately want to hide away from it.
Yes, for the love of all that’s holy and secular too, ban the games with apparent child sexual abuse. Children can’t consent. Leave everything else the hell alone.
I don’t even play video games with sexual themes, but I do play ones that contain 18+ violence. I assume those will be next on the chopping block.
Reminder that child beauty pageants are A OK.
Sponsored by Visa 🤔
Thanks for saying it. What kind of fucking parent puts their kids on display in an event that will invite actual pedophiles to start actual concoctions that would cause permanent harm on them? Ah, but fictitious media that may actually help keep those urges in check needs to be removed.
And then there’s the bullshit thought that a service that serves as a replacement for cash transactions can decide what I buy?
I need to get off of this fucking world.
Digital violence causes school shootings, don’t you know? Ignore the non-American rates, they don’t matter.
I expect this group is rife with paedos.
They support Cuties & Germaine Greer who wrote The beautiful boy
Greer has always been a narcissistic troll.
Their co-founder literally praised Cuties, so…
The same group who complained Detroit Become Human is bad for glorifying child abuse and women abuse. Yet supported Cuties…
It’s because they want real child abuse. Not that fake stuff
Bro, have you seen e621 lately? That place needs quite a lot of pruning. I don’t know what the admins are doing, it went too far in the other direction!
I’ve never heard of it and I’m scared to google it. What is it?
very similar to rule 34 in terms of content. I haven’t been on it in ages tho so I can’t speak for it as of late. if I had to guess it’s probably had an influx of AI slop that’s causing issues, other online image boards have been suffering from that as well.
Someone should check this groups computer ls and closets because they are projecting and those fuckers should have no impact on what us Americans or any other country wants to buy. This needs to be reversed Asap.
