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Davriellelouna@lemmy.world to Mildly Interesting@lemmy.world ·
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Republicans and Democrats differ drastically in which news sources they trust and distrust

www.pewresearch.org

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Republicans and Democrats differ drastically in which news sources they trust and distrust

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Davriellelouna@lemmy.world to Mildly Interesting@lemmy.world ·
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Source: Pew Research

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    So Republicans distrust media overall much more than Democrats.

    If it wasn’t for the Fox News and Joe Rogan trust, i would say Republicans seem more media literate than Democrats. Although in these case the Republicans also distrust them relatively more than the Democrats do for some of “their” media. In particular the NYT and CNN deserve much more distrust imo. It is clear that they are agenda driven, usually against the interests of the middle class.

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      I think it’s less about having an agenda or not, and more about the factuality of reporting. If I read “so-and-so is quoted as saying…” then can I trust that what is being represented is the same as what the speaker intended?

      Agenda-free reporting would be nice in theory, but I don’t think it’s very realistic. We can demand certain standards of factuality though, and then just do the legwork to identify and take biases into account.

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        I mean, they are nowhere near Rogan or Fox News in terms of agenda, but i think Rogan is a great example. Most of his stuff is just podcasts. So instead of “quoting” the guests, he just lets them speak directly. But the choice of guests, the choice of question and so on, make a huge difference in the picture conveyed to the consumer.

        One could argue that the relatively subtle way of media like the NYT is more insidious as it is harder to spot, but it seems that the “blunt” approach of Fox News isn’t less effective, so i couldn’t judge which is better or worse.

        I agree with you that it isn’t very realistic to find reporting free of any Agenda, even if the reporters do their best to be as neutral as possible.

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      In particular the NYT and CNN deserve much more distrust imo. It is clear that they are agenda driven, usually against the interests of the middle class.

      I’m a paying subscriber of the New York Times.

      I find your criticism deeply unfair. Yes, the NYT sometimes gets thing wrong. No news organization is perfect. But, overall, it’s a good newspaper. And they aren’t anti-middle class. In fact, I would argue the opposite. It’s one of the only big media organization in the US that regularly publishes pro-union opinion articles. When was the last time you saw USA today or CNN do that?

      Why Unions Are Good for America

      https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/30/opinion/uaw-strike-unions.html

      Inside Starbucks’ Dirty War Against Organized Labor

      https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/21/opinion/starbucks-union-strikes-labor-movement.html?searchResultPosition=193

      The Cost of a Decline in Unions

      https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/19/opinion/nicholas-kristof-the-cost-of-a-decline-in-unions.html

      Workers Should Not Have to Risk Their Lives in Heat Waves

      https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/21/opinion/heat-wave-workers-climate.html?searchResultPosition=44

      Pay Caitlin Clark What She’s Worth

      https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/23/opinion/caitlin-clark-wnba-salary.html?searchResultPosition=48

      Republicans Assumed a Nebraska Senate Seat Was Safe. Then This Candidate Came Along.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/25/opinion/nebraska-senate-dan-osborn.html?searchResultPosition=30

      The real pro-oligarchy paper is the Wall Street Journal.

      The WSJ never published a single opinion article saying good things about labor unions.

      WSJ editors are explicitly told that if they do that, they will be fired. This is a direct order from the owner, Rupert Murdoch.

      In fact, the WSJ has published countless opinion pieces praising right-to work laws, attacking labor unions, and calling for taxes on the rich to be massively slashed:

      https://www.wsj.com/opinion/workers-choice-is-the-way-forward-unions-employees-9847e341

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-right-to-work-rout-1533767899

      Joe Biden named Lina Khan, an anti-monopoly activist, to head the FTC.

      If you read the NYT, you will find several opinion articles praising Lina Khan for taking on huge corporations:

      https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/26/opinion/lina-khan-ftc-venture-capital-silicon-valley.html

      https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/23/opinion/lina-khan-antitrust-harris.html

      If you read Murdoch’s WSJ, every single opinion article ever published attacks her and defends big corporations:

      https://www.wsj.com/opinion/lina-khan-ftc-capri-tapestry-merger-antitrust-5a3627c1

      https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-ftc-goes-evidence-free-lina-khan-pbm-healthcare-14076225

      https://www.wsj.com/opinion/lina-khan-federal-trade-commission-amazon-case-e2cce1c5

      https://www.wsj.com/opinion/an-unfond-farewell-to-lina-khan-fabbf799

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        The NYT has also published many pieces demonizing Palestinians and downplaying Israeli war crimes. It even helped Israeli intelligence assets spread allegations about sexual violence on October 7 that couldn’t be verified by other Journalists, human rights groups or the UN, but helped strongly in distracting from well documented and evidenced sexual violence by Israelis against Palestinians they have taken hostage.

        The NYTs defends the piece to this day, despite acknowledging:

        “In February 2024, Schwartz was found to have liked incendiary posts on social media, including one calling to “turn the strip into a slaughterhouse”, “violate any norm, on the way to victory”, and that read “Those in front of us are human animals who do not hesitate to violate minimal rules.”[2][23][24] The Times launched an investigation.[23] The Times was reviewing Schwartz’s social media posts, and made a preliminary statement that such activity breaches company policy.[23][5] Schwartz subsequently locked and deleted her social media posts.”

        The NYT also simped for the Iraq invasion and bullied out their former Middle East bureau chief Chris Hedges, because he dared to criticize that illegal war of aggression.

        As for the role of the NYT in maintaining support for the Vietnam war and downplaying US involvement with far right extremist and fascist terror organizations and dictators in Central and South America, i recommend you to read “Manufacturing consent”, which provides detailed evidence of how the NYT is part of the corporate media that ensures consent for US crimes against humanity and international law all around the world.

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          Does moving the goalpost mean that you agree that the nyt is pro middle class now?

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          What you are doing is called moving the goal post. But I’ll answer.

          1. Hamas is not “The Palestinians”. Saying Hamas committed bad things doesn’t mean “demonizing palestinians”.

          2. The french media confirmed there were acts of sexual abuse on October 7. This is a very strange hill to die on.

          3. The NYT has published stunning investigations into Israeli crimes:

          An Israeli Soldier Killed a Medic in Gaza. We Investigated the Fatal Shot.

          https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/100000005933727/israel-gaza-medic-killed-rouzan-najjar.html

          Autopsies of Gaza Medics Killed by Israeli Troops Show Some Were Shot in the Head

          https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/06/world/middleeast/gaza-medics-killed-israel.html

          4. She wasn’t a NYT journalist. She was a freelancer. She helped make the movie “Waltz with Bashir” and was described as a leftist. Her Facebook profile picture declared in Arabic that “Jews and Arabs refuse to be enemies’”. The like was in question was posted on October 7. Upon learning this, on March 2024, the NYT ended her employment.

          5. You are quoting The Intercept. That small newspaper also has reporters involved in ethical scandals. You want me to list them all?

          6. The New York Times has published opinion pieces by several Palestinians and Israelis.

          Palestinian: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/25/opinion/palestine-war-empathy.html

          Israeli: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/10/opinion/israel-war-hamas-sderot.html

          Palestinian: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/opinion/israel-gaza-war-history.html

          Israeli: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/07/opinion/israel-democracy-netanyahu-war.html

          Palestinian: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/19/opinion/israel-netanyahu-palestinians.html

          Israeli: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/01/opinion/gaza-war-holocaust-shoah.html

          Palestinian: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/opinion/palestine-leadership-war-israel.html

          Benjamin Netanyahu doesn’t like New York Times very much.

          From december 2022:

          Israel’s Prime Minister-elect Benjamin Netanyahu slammed the New York Times on Sunday after the paper’s editorial board warned his administration would undermine democracy and cater to extremists.

          https://www.foxnews.com/media/netanyahu-shreds-new-york-times-demonizing-israel-decades-after-scathing-editorial

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            i was providing evidence why the NYT is agenda driven. As for how they hide it, i already recommended you to read “Manufacturing Consent” where this is analyzed in detail.

            The french media confirmed there were acts of sexual abuse on October 7. This is a strange hill to die on.

            Now you are moving goal posts and ignoring the fundamental problem. Also you selectively focus on the intercept, when multiple media outlets have investigated the NYT piece and found severe problems.

            There is a substantial difference between factual reporting on sexual violence and letting a “former” intelligence officer who calls for genocide to completely fabricate cases and become unhinged in her claims. This also amounted to psychological violence against victims and family members who had to come out and deny the fabrications made by the New York Times. Imagine your family member is being murdered and a ruthless “former” intelligence officer is spreading inventions to make it more gruesome than it was and people being bullied to lie about it in order to support the governments propaganda efforts.

            On January 3, Mondoweiss published an article by an “anonymous group of Palestinian journalists in Israel” containing a critical review of statements in “Screams Without Words” about Gal Abdush. As described by Mondoweiss, some of Abdush’s relatives, including her sisters and brother-in-law, stated that she hadn’t been raped.[11][2] Her brother-in-law, Nissim Abdush, stated that no official party had informed them of sexual assault, saying that “the media invented it”.[11] Her sisters Tali Barakha and Miral Altar pointed out perceived incoherencies in the timing of events, with Altar writing that “[i]t doesn’t make any sense that in four minutes, they raped her, slaughtered her, and burned her”.[11] The Mondoweiss article also pointed to a Ynet interview of Gal’s mother, Eti Bracha, where she stated that she had only learned about the rape from “the New York Times reporter”.[11][10] However, Bracha, like Gal Abdush’s brother and mother-in-law, said they believed Abdush was raped.[10] Bracha stated that “there are witnesses who saw the sexual assault of my daughter”.[10] In an article published in CounterPunch in early February, media scholar and Fordham University professor Robin Andersen criticized the strength of the investigation, noting major discrepancies between families’ testimonies and the article’s text.[22]

            Eden Wessely, who filmed Gal Abdush’s body, told Ynet in January 2024 that New York Times co-authors Schwartz and Sella had “called me again and again and explained how important [her footage and testimony were] to Israeli hasbara.”[14][8]: ¶64  Wessely noted that Schwartz and Sella wanted “to know every detail”.[14] She said she understood that “there were disagreements within the [Abdush] family about the publication that she had been raped”, but stated her belief that Gal’s “voice should be heard, because her whole appearance screamed: ‘Look at me, hear me, I was raped, I was murdered.’”

            Again, i feel like the gravity of it cannot be understated. This piece was clearly a propaganda piece to help Israel maintain its image as the ICJ demanded measures to be taken by Israel to prevent committing genocide against Palestinians. Even as the evidence came in, the NYT doubled down, despite full well knowing who and what it does propaganda for with this piece.

            The fact that the NYT occasionally lets Palestinian voices be heard only serves as a veil to create the idea of being unbiased. Again this is something that is well analyzed in “Manufacturing consent” and it isn’t exclusive to the NYT. Most corporate media acts in similar fashion.

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              The United Nations special representative Pramila Patten released her full report on sexual assaults on October 7.

              https://www.un.org/sexualviolenceinconflict/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/report/mission-report-official-visit-of-the-office-of-the-srsg-svc-to-israel-and-the-occupied-west-bank-29-january-14-february-2024/20240304-Israel-oWB-CRSV-report.pdf

              She concluded that sexual violence did indeed take place. The NYT didn’t publish anything false.

              The fact Hamas committed bad thing doesn’t mean the NYT vilified Palestinians.

              The NYT told the story of a Palestinian grandmother who refuses to leave her home in Gaza during bombardments because she already lost her home once, in 1948:

              https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/25/world/middleeast/gaza-diaspora-families.html

              The NYT wrote stories about a Palestinian child orphaned by the air strike that killed dozens of her family members :

              https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/18/world/middleeast/gaza-children-israel.html

              There’s no story that is more fiercely contested than Israel-Palestine drama , more mired in competing zero-sum narratives. It is nearly impossible to produce fair, accurate coverage without making all sides angry.

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