cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/34331174
Published date: 7 August 2025 11:52 BST
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected calls from senior ministers to advance ceasefire negotiations and deliberately restricted all aid to Gaza in order to force a surrender from Hamas, internal government transcripts published by Israeli news outlet Channel 13 have revealed.
The transcripts from an Israeli war cabinet meeting on 1 March show that Netanyahu ignored repeated calls from senior defence officials to move to the second phase of the ceasefire agreement in order to secure the release of Israeli captives, and then to renew hostilities after.
Netanyahu instead chose to unilaterally break the ceasefire in March and bar all aid to Gaza, in the hopes of forcing a surrender by Hamas.
This was despite Hamas complying with the talks, contrary to the war cabinet’s expectations.
Netanyahu and a disturbing amount of others see all Palestinians as Hamas. They aren’t starving civilians to death to pressure Hamas. They’re genociding all Palestinians on purpose because they don’t see them as human beings. It’s unspeakably horrible, and it’s being silenced.
The mainstream is hoping that when all Palestinians are dead or displaced they won’t have a voice to object.
see all Palestinians as Hamas
Despite opinion and anger here, there’s a lot of truth to that. Imagine seeing your friends and family brutally murdered, or your friend shot in the kneecap as sport for some IDF fuck, and then saying you don’t support any kind of resistance.
And that sentiment, punctuated by Oct 7th, makes Israelis afraid, somewhat reasonably. The people they’ve oppressed will always be inclined to strike back. The people they’re genociding would be even happier to genocide Israelis.
The point is that there is no protagonist in this fight. There’s nuance and no easy answers.
None of that justifies the very clear and deliberate genocide Israel is carrying out. It was extremely clear this was their plan when they killed the World Central Kitchen people. They’ve planned this genocide, knowing exactly what they’re doing and the consequences.
It’s the nation-state equivalent of a schoolyard fight where one student pulls a knife and slashes the other’s throat. It doesn’t matter how the fight started, or what their motivations were at the beginning, we don’t stand for that kind of brutality. You have a right to defend yourself, but that is very clearly beyond justifiable.
I feel like the people speaking out for Palestine are often making the same mistake DARE did with drugs in the 1990s. You can’t make everything black & white, even with kids. The program would have been more effective had it acknowledged nuance and been more truthful.
Not that I think it’s a big difference. It might be impossible to stop the genocide regardless of our approach here.
Public sentiment here doesn’t compare to the anti-Vietnam War sentiment, and I don’t think changing the messaging slightly is going to change either that or the overall outcome.
I’m proud of the people who have put themselves at risk to speak out, the ones who face real world consequences like Mahmoud Khalil.
Agree
Most (nearly all) of the “pro-life” crowd is like this in the US.
Nobody paying attention is surprised. Evil people.
There were a few Palestinians protesting against Hamas a few months ago but Hamas killed them. That said, Hamas does have broad support in Gaza.
If it’s Hamas or the people actively murdering their children and starving them, then it’s not much of a choice.
I’m friends with American Palestinians and American Jews and I’ll say that the support of each side for their government is irrationally strong. Hamas is legitimately popular on its own. And very few say Hamas should turn in their weapons and release the hostages and surrender even though that would end the war overnight. In this regard, I feel they are similar to Russians & Putin. It just isn’t rational. Hamas is causing harm to Palestinians.
My solution isn’t liked by either side. I say bring back the Ottoman Empire so both can be ruled by someone else. Neither can be trusted to respect the lives of the other without an even bigger entity above them both.
How often do you mimic the face of a wolf with your hands?
I’m not aware of ever having done that. Why?
There’s an extremist Turkish-Nationalist group, which would probably be very happy about your argument. They do that sign as an identifyer.
I’ll be honest, as a traditional Catholic, I’d be fine with Crusaders getting the job done, but I am willing to defer to the Ottomans. Either way, the children running Hamas & Israel need to be put in their place.
You’re cool with the IDF murdering and raping women and children, and starving the population to death? Your excuse for this is “Hamas.”
You’re a fucking joke and you shouldn’t talk about this topic until you learn more about it or become more intelligent.
Actually, I do not support murder or rape. Israel does have a right to retaliate against Hamas, assuring their complete surrender or annihilation, but they also have a duty to civilians that do not cooperate with Hamas. My speaking out against Hamas should not be understood to mean I support all actions of Israel.
Found the genocide supporting zionazi
I support the disarming and surrender of Hamas very specifically because it is for the good of Palestinian people. This is the surest way to stop the genocide. One Hamas is eliminated, everyone should recognize Gaza as an independent nation. They should be made to have a pacifist constitution and no offensive military capacity as a requirement for recognition.
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It pisses me off, it’s what all Israel’s supporters say.
“Oh it wouldn’t be necessary if Hamas didn’t make them do it.”
It sickens me that they believe any group of people to be such non-persons that it’s justified to treat them this way… These are human beings and what’s happening to them is not cosmic accident or common misfortune. They’re being tormented to death, by people who revel in causing pain.
The Nazis said similar things when “liquidating” the Warsaw Ghetto after the Jewish resistance mounted an uprising.
The Resistance to the Oppressor is used to justify the Oppression itself.
What do you think is going to happen in America the first time someone peels one at an ICE operative?
There’s no excuse for war crimes, no justification for crimes against humanity. NONE
This is the end stage of the “War on Terror”. We’ve fully internalized anyone with a Muslim faith (or with a skin tone associated with a Muslim faith) as a terrorist. Elderly civilians are simply terrorist who never got caught. Children are future terrorists. Everyone in between is a “Military Age” threat to national security.
In the same way that Africans in America are correlated with criminals and gangsters, East Asians are marked out as academic cheats, Hispanics are labeled as lazy welfare queens, and the LGBTQ cohort are regularly called pedophiles, Arabs are de facto scary religious radicals. Killing them is no crime. It’s always some form of self-defense.
Of course it is, Benjamin Netanyahu is a damn war criminal. Gaza is becoming one big Nazi death camp.
I would love to see him starve to death while the world watches so he would know what he is causing
I’d keep the livestream playing constantly.
"Gaza is becoming " it should “Gaza has been”.
If you consider food a weapon, you have lost your humanity, and you will get no sympathy or support from me.
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Was it ever a question that it wasn’t on purpose?
Again, Netanyahu is a genocidal maniac that should be tried in Neurenberg and sentenced to death there just to make the fucking point.
I think you mean The Hague, that is where the ICC court is.
I know, but I do mean Neurenberg because of its historical significance in this case
We tried the Serbian genocidal war criminals there. It is more significant these days.
I know, I know, and I’m all for the IOC, but this is a Jewish person committing genocide. I think it would be fitting to have that particular trial in Neurenberg, just to drive the point home.
That’s fair.
He needs the Mussolini treatment
and those who Didn’t do anything knowing that are also guilty,
That’s not how anything works, you can the jail the vast majority of the world with that attitude. It’s not that simple
Least surprising revelation ever. It’s easy to have such ambitions when you don’t consider an entire population people.
At this point, who didn’t already know that displacing (if not erasing) non-Israeli Gazans was the plan along?
And Netanyahu’s government has made plenty very similar on-the-record statements ever since it came into power.
This is probably one of the top 10 dumbest war strategies in history. Make the population of the region you’re eventually seeking to occupy hate you even more, and on top of that, it makes the very foolish assumption that Hamas leadership would give up if they see their Gazans suffer, which is so naïve it’d be funny if it weren’t so sad. Hamas leadership doesn’t give a shit if ordinary Gazans starve. In fact, they probably think it’s all the better for their recruiting numbers, seeing that I have yet to see a single Hamas fighter suffering from malnutrition on the level of ordinary Gazans.
To external observers paying attention, this can only lead one to conclude either Netanyahu is a terrible military strategist or he’s using this “strategy” as a cover to snuff out the entire Arab population of Gaza. For all I know, both are true!
It’s the second. It’s always been the second. Dude indirectly funded hamas for this purpose.
If you plan on wiping them out or shipping them away, this strategy is quicker.
Hamas doesn’t surrender and 90% of the inhabitants of Gaza starves to death? WIN! Now you can “mop up” the remains and occupy the region with near to none opposition.
Hamas does surrender? WIN! You can claim a historic victory, jail every Hamas member that come forth and occupy the region with near to none opposition.
On a psychopathic level devoid of any ethics it is genious…
If there is no armed resistance in Gaza, Israel can “mob up” without any difficulty.
The reason why many intelligence and military people now voiced concern is not because they care about the lives of the Palestinian people, but because Gaza is a nightmare to conquer and occupy. Hamas and other armed groups are very creative and had decades to fortify Gaza for another invasion. For instance a lot of the explosives they use for their traps are unexploded ordnance from Israeli attacks.
Israel in large part used to blow up buildings in Gaza with US made anti-tank mines. They move to use the D9 armored bulldozers instead, because the fighters could capture significant stockpiles of mines and use them to blow up Israeli tanks. Now the bulldozers are easy targets for sniper fire and explosive attacks. Israel seems to rarely send in soldiers on foot, instead relying on heavily armored troop carriers that end up becoming sitting ducks and targeted with self made rocket launchers, shaped charges or having an explosive dropped in the often open hatch. There even was a video of fighters using an artillery rocket by simply laying on the ground and triggering the charge so it would fly forward towards a target.
Israels army hasn’t fought a proper war on the ground for many years. Most soldiers are just used to pushing around women and children in the Westbank than to actually fighting against an armed opposition. The key strength of Israel is its airforce. But bombing things to rubble only gets you so far, as the US and NATO have seen in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen…
While true, are there enough Palestinians left in Gaza to mount such a resistance?
You don’t need many people to make it hell for the occupiers to occupy. The Sunni “insurgency” in US+allies occupied Iraq was estimated to have about 3,000-7,000 fighters. Meanwhile the US had up to 160,000 occupation soldiers staged in Iraq around 2005-2006 before slowly giving up against the resistance.
This is also why Israel aims on building concentration camps. It makes resistance much harder to organize than if people still have their own homes, have jobs and can meet without direct surveillance.
It’s not genius at all, at least not on the basis of “winning”. There is no “winning” this conflict without a political solution, and there is no political solution without full rights for Palestinians.
Netanyahu is judging that the world will let him get away with genocide as long as he does it slowly. If he actually genocides Palestine, he won’t have a problem any more.
Well… there is a winning situation for Israel (and i assume they are moving in this direction): No Palestinians, no further problems.
Remember everybody, jizzrael started the ethnic cleansing in the forties with the nakba https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
Right after the Holocaust.
There are many other countries with similar examples
It’s almost as if human beings, from any and all races, are always controlled by a small group of assholes who like nothing more but to have power at any cost
He needs to be hung for crimes against humanity.
Bibi is literally the 21st century Hitler. He’s doing everything to the Palestinian people that Hitler did to European Jews except putting them in ovens. So far.
No shit.
