• WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
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    19 days ago

    If you actually want to make things better then you have to use methods that have a chance of actually working. We have overwhelming historical evidence showing that voting third-party doesn’t.

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      19 days ago

      It can work, but the most important part in making it work is building the movement so that everyone votes for the third party in the same election. There’s no point in just voting third party and complaining that no one else is doing it.

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        19 days ago

        That would take a monumental amount of effort. Much more than it would take to un-fuck one of the existing parties.

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          19 days ago

          I don’t think it’s a question of amount of effort. Both undertakings would be monumental. It’s more so a question of what skillsets you have and what you’re more capable of doing.

          In Canada, we had a third party nearly come into power a while back until we lost the leader to cancer.

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            19 days ago

            In Canada, we had a third party nearly come into power catapult a far-right government into power for nearly a decade a while back until we lost the leader to cancer.

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          19 days ago

          Are you sure about that? We’ve been trying to unfuck the Democrats for decades, and look what it’s gotten us.

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        19 days ago

        Except for Perot, Nader, Stein, etc, etc, etc. You’re right! If you ignore all the times it’s been tried, then it’s never been tried!

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          19 days ago

          You said that “voting third party doesn’t work”. The vast majority of voters do not vote for alternative parties or candidates, so no, it hasn’t been tried.

          Did you mean to say “Running third party doesn’t work”?

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      19 days ago

      No, Pakistan does not have RCV. Hell they don’t even have a qualified election system with the amount of falsified ballots, yet the third party still defeated that system.