But if someone’s gonna make some wisecrack comment celebrating/endorsing acts of violence, they should definitely watch it to see the sick reality of what they’re celebrating.
Kirk is (was?) a piece of shit, but the armchair judges, juries, and wannabe executioners around here need a reality check.
And think about your Red Lines. I have 2. I have family who belong to vulnerable groups who are particularly hated and targeted by MAGA, and if anything were to happen to them, I would have nothing left to lose, and I will become very dangerous.
My second Red Line is if they use ANY excuse to cancel/suspend elections. This country has NEVER cancelled an election, not even during the Civil War. If elections are cancelled or suspended, that is OFFICIALLY the end of the United States. At that point, I do not recognize any laws or any sovereignty by the MAGA government. I will not pay taxes, I will steal everything I can my hands on, I will vandalize any MAGA property, and if it gets hot, and gunfire erupts, I’m ready mentally, and I’ve been an excellent shot my entire life.
As an older person, I have had the revelation that the end of my life will probably include a twist ending that I never anticipated until now, and I have accepted that. In fact, I now think that dying peacefully in my bed as an old man, while America becomes Nazi, would be waste. I’d rather my death accomplish something.
Other Red Lines are starting to form in my mind as well.
"I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.”
I’ve been hyper-aware of the possibility of a school shooting since I was in grade school. I’ve watched Palestinians be murdered for over ten years. I’ve watched poor young Russian idiots and Ukrainian soldiers blown apart for the past three years. And I just saw one of the biggest cheerleaders of all that in the States killed.
“Sick reality” has nothing on it. A piece of shit who advocated for and contributed to the shittiest of shitty policy in the US, which has led to the deaths of numerous other people, was killed, and by one of the shitty policies he himself advocated (political violence or gun proliferation, as you prefer).
This isn’t even getting into the ‘less’ severe domestic dangers he was part of pushing forward - the concentration camps for immigrants, the rampant dehumanization of LGBTQ folk, the stripping of medical assistance to the filthy poors who are too sick to be worth keeping alive.
True tbh that my dark feelings aren’t doing any good, but we absolutely do need people to understand that they can take direct action against the fash.
And furthermore, people who are fascist-curious need to be shown that if they want to be positively remembered by their community, they need to cut it with their fascist crap.
Lastly, we need to remind people that being a fucking monster ought to be dangerous business.
The man literally said crying is for babies and empathy is a “new age made up thing”.
I don’t want the world to devolve into one person killing another because they disagree, but he was a piece of shit and deserves little to no sympathy as a result.
Me either. I’m not even sad he’s (apparently) no longer among us. I just get disgusted with everyone who’s calling for violence left and right (metaphorically and politically).
I just get disgusted with everyone who’s calling for violence left and right (metaphorically and politically).
There’s a fine line between advocating for violence, and being aware that violence is going to happen whether we want it to or not. As someone else mentioned, the Right Wingers are absolutely ready to pull the trigger and it’s naive for people on the left to think “It won’t happen to me, so why bother being ready.”
I look at this killing the way I look at Luigi; I’m not going to shed a tear for the victim. He had it coming to him and then some. And I hope the shooter never gets found because fuck Charlie Kirk.
I’m not saying there needs to be all out revolution. But actions such as this killing are good in that they make the other side realize that “yes…we are ready…and you’re not safe if you keep trying your shit”.
That’s like asking why someone with a tumor is calling for a surgeon to cut it out, even if that person isn’t themself a surgeon.
Lots of people would be extremely uncomfortable watching a major surgery, but that doesn’t and shouldn’t stop them from coming to the OR when they need one. Nor should they be forced to see footage of their operation.
We have a fascism problem, and personally I’m thankful we have people with the aptitude and fortitude to address it, regardless of my own ability or lack thereof in that area.
To be fair, I also wouldn’t care if Biden got shot right now. I’m not gonna be the one that does it, but if someone else does it, oh well, couldn’t care less… 🤷♂️
Do we have to “thoughts and prayer” every time some politician dies?
But if someone’s gonna make some wisecrack comment celebrating/endorsing acts of violence, they should definitely watch it to see the sick reality of what they’re celebrating.
Kirk is (was?) a piece of shit, but the armchair judges, juries, and wannabe executioners around here need a reality check.
Watched the video. Hell, I’ve seen it live in the past.
Im glad a fascist is dead.
There is at least one fewer person advocating for the complete removal of my civil rights as a trans woman.
He won’t be missed, and in two months I’ll think about him as much as I think about Rush Limbaugh.
https://www.blazingsword.org/
Get armed, train, and be ready. Shits about to get spicy.
An armed minority is harder to oppress.
Yep. Arm up, stockpile supplies, get in shape.
And think about your Red Lines. I have 2. I have family who belong to vulnerable groups who are particularly hated and targeted by MAGA, and if anything were to happen to them, I would have nothing left to lose, and I will become very dangerous.
My second Red Line is if they use ANY excuse to cancel/suspend elections. This country has NEVER cancelled an election, not even during the Civil War. If elections are cancelled or suspended, that is OFFICIALLY the end of the United States. At that point, I do not recognize any laws or any sovereignty by the MAGA government. I will not pay taxes, I will steal everything I can my hands on, I will vandalize any MAGA property, and if it gets hot, and gunfire erupts, I’m ready mentally, and I’ve been an excellent shot my entire life.
As an older person, I have had the revelation that the end of my life will probably include a twist ending that I never anticipated until now, and I have accepted that. In fact, I now think that dying peacefully in my bed as an old man, while America becomes Nazi, would be waste. I’d rather my death accomplish something.
Other Red Lines are starting to form in my mind as well.
I’m a double stroke victim. I can barely walk without a cane.
My job isn’t to punch nazis, my job is to tell the nazi-punchers what squares to stand on, and what the nazis’ weaknesses are (hint: it’s bullets).
Keyboard warriors are very important, too. MAGA Nazis understand the importance of messaging, and the Left needs a lot more of it.
I do stuff offline too, I just don’t talk about it where it gets recorded for posterity.
Ah, stay strong, then.
Lester doesn’t go on heists, but the dude is still very important.
Ok we got it, you are important too
"I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.”
-Charlie Kirk (https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113)
So don’t worry, he’s fine with it.
Putting his money where his mouth is. Gotta respect that, LOL. More MAGA Nazis should follow his lead.
Died doing what he loved, I guess.
Fucking lol
I watched it. Felt nothing.
I’ve been hyper-aware of the possibility of a school shooting since I was in grade school. I’ve watched Palestinians be murdered for over ten years. I’ve watched poor young Russian idiots and Ukrainian soldiers blown apart for the past three years. And I just saw one of the biggest cheerleaders of all that in the States killed.
“Sick reality” has nothing on it. A piece of shit who advocated for and contributed to the shittiest of shitty policy in the US, which has led to the deaths of numerous other people, was killed, and by one of the shitty policies he himself advocated (political violence or gun proliferation, as you prefer).
This isn’t even getting into the ‘less’ severe domestic dangers he was part of pushing forward - the concentration camps for immigrants, the rampant dehumanization of LGBTQ folk, the stripping of medical assistance to the filthy poors who are too sick to be worth keeping alive.
Fuck him.
We live in interesting times.
I watched it 15 times in a row. Gonna watch it a few dozen times more when more perspectives come back. He deserves worse.
Goddamn right I’m sick in the head! Fascism makes us sick. All the more reason to stand up to the monsters who push for it.
Your blood lust isn’t helping anything.
A dead fascist is always progress. One less person traveling from campus to campus, recruiting for the Reich Wing.
Generally nazis do not die quickly unless you kill them. And if you do not, then they will kill you instead. The only good nazi is a dead nazi.
yes, it is. Charlie Kirk spreads hate and fear. fuck him and fuck his message.
Then why are you not organizing an attack squad? Instead you are just a keyboard warrior hoping to radicalize someone who sees your comments.
Edit: their removed reply to this post was advocating for violence.
How is your comment not advocating for violence? Really sounds like you’re pushing him to be violent rather than just leave angry comments online
It’s an attempt at being absurd to illuminate their position. Futile, I know.
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Fair
True tbh that my dark feelings aren’t doing any good, but we absolutely do need people to understand that they can take direct action against the fash.
And furthermore, people who are fascist-curious need to be shown that if they want to be positively remembered by their community, they need to cut it with their fascist crap.
Lastly, we need to remind people that being a fucking monster ought to be dangerous business.
Write up some instructions and help them plan then.
Edit: I see they totally edited their comment after my reply. It is no longer flippant.
I’m guessing: get a weapon and use it? The rest is just extra steps.
Sitting around while these monsters rip apart people’s lives has helped even less
Kirk pushes a narrative of violence and hate. I felt nothing but celebration seeing him get shot
I’m not going to celebrate his death. But I’m not going to spare him any empathy either. He preached hate. Got hate in return. FAFO.
The man literally said crying is for babies and empathy is a “new age made up thing”.
I don’t want the world to devolve into one person killing another because they disagree, but he was a piece of shit and deserves little to no sympathy as a result.
Me either. I’m not even sad he’s (apparently) no longer among us. I just get disgusted with everyone who’s calling for violence left and right (metaphorically and politically).
There’s a fine line between advocating for violence, and being aware that violence is going to happen whether we want it to or not. As someone else mentioned, the Right Wingers are absolutely ready to pull the trigger and it’s naive for people on the left to think “It won’t happen to me, so why bother being ready.”
I look at this killing the way I look at Luigi; I’m not going to shed a tear for the victim. He had it coming to him and then some. And I hope the shooter never gets found because fuck Charlie Kirk.
I’m not saying there needs to be all out revolution. But actions such as this killing are good in that they make the other side realize that “yes…we are ready…and you’re not safe if you keep trying your shit”.
Staring the gritty reality of what you’re encouraging right in the face is always a good idea.
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I think people missed the point of your comment. I see many, many comments on here advocating or endorsing violent action against fascism.
Okay fine, but if you can’t stomach a video of it, let alone witness it in person, why are you calling for it?
Lots of people like eating beef until they have to kill the cow.
That’s like asking why someone with a tumor is calling for a surgeon to cut it out, even if that person isn’t themself a surgeon.
Lots of people would be extremely uncomfortable watching a major surgery, but that doesn’t and shouldn’t stop them from coming to the OR when they need one. Nor should they be forced to see footage of their operation.
We have a fascism problem, and personally I’m thankful we have people with the aptitude and fortitude to address it, regardless of my own ability or lack thereof in that area.
I mean we didn’t shoot him
To be fair, I also wouldn’t care if Biden got shot right now. I’m not gonna be the one that does it, but if someone else does it, oh well, couldn’t care less… 🤷♂️
Do we have to “thoughts and prayer” every time some politician dies?
You’ll get downvoted by the majority here for that type of comment
Agreed. Anyone spamming celebration across all lemmy communities should be shut down.