Yes, you’re right that the reaction to this could be very bad. We’ll see. I think it could go either way. The American public has a very short attention span and this sort of thing tends to burn brightly for a while then blow out as soon as the next big story breaks.
As for the rest of what you said…so…we should be more concerned about teachers and students hurting some kids’ feelings than the Republicans taking away actual things like jobs, healthcare, housing, vaccines, trade agreements, and alliances that took generations to build and less than a year to destroy.
These emotionally damaged young men need to snap the fuck out of it and realize who is really hurting them and who really killed the American dream. It’s not some dumbass underpaid woke college professor. Pieces of shit like Charlie Kirk come along and brainwash these same gullible kids into thinking the Republicans want to “help them” bootstrap their way out of the same crab bucket wage slavery that the Republicans created.
I can’t predict the future, and there will be some short-term fallout (potentially very bad fallout) from this. These young men will hold a grudge for sure, but I think it’s much harder to say how long of a lasting imprint this will make on them.
Many of them will grow up and realize “maybe I need to work on my mental health and general qualifications as a human being and stop thinking we can bully women into being barefoot pregnant tradwives”. The differences between what young men and what young women want out of life right now is truly astonishing. Check the polling data.
Part of this phenomenon stems from the unfortunate biological fact that young men don’t truly mature until about the age of 35. At that point, many of them (not all of them) have grown up and obtained some maturity and perspective. They finally realize that the world doesn’t revolve around me and my shortcomings and grievances. If they want to become better men, they work at providing some actual value and to at least occasionally serve others unselfishly in a non-transactional manner. Thinking you’re entitled to sex and children just because “that’s what real men get” is a road to rejection and solitude. Some will figure this out. Some never do.
As for CK’s legacy… lies and bullshit travel orders of magnitude faster than the truth, but the truth tends to win the marathons.
These emotionally damaged young men need to snap the fuck out of it and realize who is really hurting them and who really killed the American dream.
That’s like telling a depressed person to just be happy…
“Pieces of shit like Charlie Kirk come along and” address these people’s issues for better or for worse, while “some dumbass underpaid woke college professor” isn’t (socially) allowed to do so or doesn’t want to
What the hell are u talking about? The shooter most definetly was not a piece of shit, the shooter is a hero! If someones beliefs are about opressing people and taking their rights away it’s only right they are corrected or kicked the hell out of higher education.
Charlie was an awful human being, but his death will be used to harm a whole lot of people. I’d put the blame for that harm largely on the person that shot him
Nah. I blame the sychopantic psychopath who has been driving hateful and violent rhetoric to begin with for years. Charlie Kirk birthed this situation. Either one of the right wing loons shot him or someone shot him who was fighting back against a dude saying “Hey, those people, they are lesser than human and should be gone”.
They would have harmed even more people weather kirk was alive or not. They may use the death of that piece of shit as a justification but they would have found some other thing to use as a justification anyways.
You make a great point about how people feel that way, regardless of the reality. Many conservatives feel like it was illegal not to get the COVID vaccine, despite nowhere in the US having a legal requirement. It was simply businesses requiring it for their employees and/or customers
To them the legal threat was very real, regardless of reality. Progressives need to understand that and work to alleviate the concerns of conservatives. We can shout all we want about how we shouldn’t have to cater to them, or how basic empathy should be enough for conservatives, but that isn’t the reality. If you genuinely feel immigrants are why you can’t get a job, all empathy goes out the window. Telling them they’re a bad person for doing something they think will help them feed their family will never work
the American left just wants to call them fascists and deplatform them
They were and are fascists. That’s no longer a question or a hypothetical outcome. It is our current reality. We have ICE acting as a paramilitary going through the streets rounding up anyone that looks Hispanic, including many citizens and legal residents. We’ve built special camps to house large numbers of detainees in a small area
We have the National Guard deployed across the country - armed military members walking our streets. We’ve renamed the Department of Defense to the Department of War and threatened war with many other countries - Canada, Greenland/Denmark, Panama, Iran, and more
Anyone opposing Trump is being retaliated against. He threatened to revoke all of Musk’s contracts for being critical of The Big Beautiful Bill. John Bolton, Trump’s former national security advisor had his home raided by the FBI in clear retribution to his publicly critical statements about Trump. Kamala Harris had her Secret Service detail revoked at a time when political violence is at an all time high. What possible reason could Trump have for revoking her security detail other than in the hopes she is assassinated?
It’s quintessential fascism. What more needs to happen before people admit it?
the feminist movement wrote young men off - telling them “everything you know about being a man is misogynist, stop doing it, but it’s not our job to teach you how to be a better man”
That was not the platform of the feminist movement. It was the views of a small fringe group. One of the problems with far-right commentators is they like to look at a tiny extreme group that very few people agree with and claim they represent the whole left. Somehow it worked and now people, like you, are convinced of crazy things
Kirk was an idol to millions of teenage boys who are now seeing the online left cheering for his death
Kirk himself was cheering when a guy tried to assassinate Paul Pelosi. He even “joked” about getting someone to pay the bail of Pelosi’s attacker
It’s been tit-for-tat for a while. It’s not getting better
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Yes, you’re right that the reaction to this could be very bad. We’ll see. I think it could go either way. The American public has a very short attention span and this sort of thing tends to burn brightly for a while then blow out as soon as the next big story breaks.
As for the rest of what you said…so…we should be more concerned about teachers and students hurting some kids’ feelings than the Republicans taking away actual things like jobs, healthcare, housing, vaccines, trade agreements, and alliances that took generations to build and less than a year to destroy.
These emotionally damaged young men need to snap the fuck out of it and realize who is really hurting them and who really killed the American dream. It’s not some dumbass underpaid woke college professor. Pieces of shit like Charlie Kirk come along and brainwash these same gullible kids into thinking the Republicans want to “help them” bootstrap their way out of the same crab bucket wage slavery that the Republicans created.
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I can’t predict the future, and there will be some short-term fallout (potentially very bad fallout) from this. These young men will hold a grudge for sure, but I think it’s much harder to say how long of a lasting imprint this will make on them.
Many of them will grow up and realize “maybe I need to work on my mental health and general qualifications as a human being and stop thinking we can bully women into being barefoot pregnant tradwives”. The differences between what young men and what young women want out of life right now is truly astonishing. Check the polling data.
Part of this phenomenon stems from the unfortunate biological fact that young men don’t truly mature until about the age of 35. At that point, many of them (not all of them) have grown up and obtained some maturity and perspective. They finally realize that the world doesn’t revolve around me and my shortcomings and grievances. If they want to become better men, they work at providing some actual value and to at least occasionally serve others unselfishly in a non-transactional manner. Thinking you’re entitled to sex and children just because “that’s what real men get” is a road to rejection and solitude. Some will figure this out. Some never do.
As for CK’s legacy… lies and bullshit travel orders of magnitude faster than the truth, but the truth tends to win the marathons.
That’s like telling a depressed person to just be happy…
“Pieces of shit like Charlie Kirk come along and” address these people’s issues for better or for worse, while “some dumbass underpaid woke college professor” isn’t (socially) allowed to do so or doesn’t want to
No, it’s more like telling an addict to stop using.
What the hell are u talking about? The shooter most definetly was not a piece of shit, the shooter is a hero! If someones beliefs are about opressing people and taking their rights away it’s only right they are corrected or kicked the hell out of higher education.
Charlie was an awful human being, but his death will be used to harm a whole lot of people. I’d put the blame for that harm largely on the person that shot him
Nah. I blame the sychopantic psychopath who has been driving hateful and violent rhetoric to begin with for years. Charlie Kirk birthed this situation. Either one of the right wing loons shot him or someone shot him who was fighting back against a dude saying “Hey, those people, they are lesser than human and should be gone”.
I’ma blame the nazi, thanks.
They would have harmed even more people weather kirk was alive or not. They may use the death of that piece of shit as a justification but they would have found some other thing to use as a justification anyways.
Damn, Gavrilo Princip must be in super hell then
Not even remotely close.
You make a great point about how people feel that way, regardless of the reality. Many conservatives feel like it was illegal not to get the COVID vaccine, despite nowhere in the US having a legal requirement. It was simply businesses requiring it for their employees and/or customers
To them the legal threat was very real, regardless of reality. Progressives need to understand that and work to alleviate the concerns of conservatives. We can shout all we want about how we shouldn’t have to cater to them, or how basic empathy should be enough for conservatives, but that isn’t the reality. If you genuinely feel immigrants are why you can’t get a job, all empathy goes out the window. Telling them they’re a bad person for doing something they think will help them feed their family will never work
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They were and are fascists. That’s no longer a question or a hypothetical outcome. It is our current reality. We have ICE acting as a paramilitary going through the streets rounding up anyone that looks Hispanic, including many citizens and legal residents. We’ve built special camps to house large numbers of detainees in a small area
We have the National Guard deployed across the country - armed military members walking our streets. We’ve renamed the Department of Defense to the Department of War and threatened war with many other countries - Canada, Greenland/Denmark, Panama, Iran, and more
Anyone opposing Trump is being retaliated against. He threatened to revoke all of Musk’s contracts for being critical of The Big Beautiful Bill. John Bolton, Trump’s former national security advisor had his home raided by the FBI in clear retribution to his publicly critical statements about Trump. Kamala Harris had her Secret Service detail revoked at a time when political violence is at an all time high. What possible reason could Trump have for revoking her security detail other than in the hopes she is assassinated?
It’s quintessential fascism. What more needs to happen before people admit it?
That was not the platform of the feminist movement. It was the views of a small fringe group. One of the problems with far-right commentators is they like to look at a tiny extreme group that very few people agree with and claim they represent the whole left. Somehow it worked and now people, like you, are convinced of crazy things
Kirk himself was cheering when a guy tried to assassinate Paul Pelosi. He even “joked” about getting someone to pay the bail of Pelosi’s attacker
It’s been tit-for-tat for a while. It’s not getting better