My initial impression of his writings hit me as either Groyper posing as a leftist, or just an accelerationist psychopath.
Either way, it doesn’t change the fact that right-wing extremism makes up the majority of violence.
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If that was his thinking, then he’s terrible at foreseeing the coming chess moves from the other side.
It was quite obvious the Trump administration was doing everything in their power to provoke something like this so they could then utilize it as their Reichstag Fire / October 7th incident to further strip civil liberties and consolidate power.
Best thing he could’ve done was just do a public protest about Epstein and rally people to vote for midterms. I fail to see how this made vulnerable group safer in any way in all reality.
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Stochastic vigilantism
And let’s just hope it keeps pointing at assholes
That’s the sad part, it already isn’t. Many assholes on the right truly think they’re fighting a righteous war. Nay, a biblical crusade against evil. And they’re harming far more good people, both directly and indirectly.
All guardrails and checks & balances have since been broken to prevent this very thing from playing out but now it all just boils down to who can push a louder message to the masses and distort their perception of reality.
I’m pretty lost for answers on how to crawl our way out of this. My only hope is the economy tanks so hard that it hits the working class in their wallets. That’s pretty much the only thing they care about.
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There are VERY few situations where committing premeditated murder would be considered clinically neurotypical. The term psychopath is used so loosely, but would fall under antisocial personality disorder, which he very well could be diagnosed as.
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If the Discord is real, he seemed like a pretty normal guy. Apparently he was bisexual, and his girfriend might’ve been trans. According to the source at least. I don’t know any groypers, so I don’t know how they act, but I don’t think that they’re normally fine with that sort of thing. Somewhere else said that he claimes to have done it to silence the hate that Kirk spewed, which is a fair enough reason I guess. Lots of contradictory info. Maybe he was a groyper that woke up after meeting his girlfriend. Maybe he just did it for attention. Maybe he just snapped. I’m just hoping for the best, that he did it for a decent enough reason, not to start a race war. We might even find out, if he isn’t Epsteined.
I saw some of the Discord on Ken Klippensteins website. Are there other links to it that show more conversation?
No, this is just from what he wrote. Apparently he got a publicly unavailable picture of the two of them as evidence, so it’s not impossible that it’s real. I think that too many of us might’ve been a bit too quick to hop on the groyper thing, just because he was online a ton. And someone named Tyler Robinson in the St. George area donated to Trump 5 years ago, when Robinson was 17.
channers like most people are hypocrites
‘she was a good one’
Sure. Just something to think about.
i called it 4chan speak just from the rumored bullet casings before it was announced he was a Fuentes fanboy, not sure what there is to think about
humans are really good at ignoring reality and doubling down with self hatred, how many gay republican politicians have made the news over the years now?
we really don’t need to invent trans support motivations
plenty of other examples of right wing political violence, just recently both the trump shooter and that lady rep and her dog
but surely it’ll be a dangerous drag queen perp next time
Because none of this stuff is actually trustworthy, because we can’t trust the government to do anything right or tell the truth. The bullet casings might be made up, I don’t think any real evidence of those were ever released. He’s probably conservative, and I think that everyone knows that. I’d just like more substantial evidence, which it doesn’t seem that we’re going to get, certainly not anytime soon. The text messages are obviously faked, so they’re obviously trying to construct the “evil leftist” narrative.
the early stuff likely was real
pretty sketch now for sure
Either way, it doesn’t change the fact that right-wing extremism makes up the majority of violence.
Even if it can be concluded that he acted out of left-wing motivations, his Conservative upbringing led him to react with a right-wing solution.
Had he been raised a Lefty, he would have been protesting, making phone calls, writing emails, and voting, not shooting.
What exactly makes you say things like that? I’m genuinely curious what part of the discord conversations make people draw these conclusions.
I’m referring more to the immediate aftermath of the event. I wasn’t very clear when I said writings but rather writings on the casings and the immediate reaction of Fuentes.
How a comment that spreads unsubstantiated rumours which this article specifically states as being so is at the top of this thread is beyond me.
Do confirm that you actually believe this is unsubstantiated:
Either way, it doesn’t change the fact that right-wing extremism makes up the majority of violence.
Now in fairness I’ll clarify that I am focusing on politically motivated violence.
Additionally, did you miss the past tense of the first point?
You admit to not being clear before, that’s whats wrong with your comment, don’t strawman me lmao. You refer to his writings, which in this context would obviously refer to the Discord conversations this article is about.
Hundreds of people saw you referring to his writings in your comment, yet only a handful will see this clarification it’s about the scribbles on the bullets. That is how unsubstantiated rumours spread.
Taking politics (mostly) out of it -
Luigi allegedly killed because he saw injustice and had empathy for other people, wanted to show the evils of health insurance companies.
This kid imo allegedly killed because he loved someone CK was spouting hateful narratives about. His empathy for this person he loved, and people like them who are just normal people living life, made it easy for him to turn to guns when he wanted this person gone for eternity.
People with empathy are snapping.
People with empathy are snapping.
This line hits hard. I hate this fucking timeline.
This is what the MAGAs don’t understand since MAGA requires, and trains, people to be Sociopaths.
An empathetic person will avoid violence for as long as possible, but when the forces against them become too great, and they snap, their empathy morphs into Protection Mode, and anyone who has people in their life that they protect, knows how dangerous Protection Mode can be.
I’ve been identifying my personal Red Lines, and one of the biggest is certain people in my life who are members of vulnerable demographics that MAGAs particularly despise. If anything were to happen to those people, I would become very dangerous. My empathy for them could easily be twisted into revenge against MAGA.
anyone who has people in their life that they protect, knows how dangerous Protection Mode can be.
And if you don’t, just ask a mama lion protecting her cubs…
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This is my personal conclusion about this situation because in my personal life people with empathy are drowning right now. It’s hard to live life these days if you give a single fuck about anything real, any real injustices or struggles people are living.
I just told my mama that I’m upset with her for raising me with empathy. Now I’m always broke. She couldn’t teach me to care more about money than people, ugh.
Didn’t CK say empathy was a bad thing?
The ultra Christians now say empathy is a sin.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sin-empathy-christian-trump-vance-b2812330.html
Their central religious figure is literally God’s empathy taking on a human form. He empathized with the human experience to the point of experiencing a human death.
Amazing how people can be so bad at understanding their own religion.
*Very specific right wing mostly non-denominational Christians are saying this. Most Christians will think that’s an insane claim to make as most denominations dont hold that view
Then they need to speak the fuck up about it.
Yes he did. The whole MAGA movement believes empathy is a bad thing.
Technically speaking they aren’t wrong ; empathy is a bad thing for MAGA. One could say antithetical.
But this doesn’t fit the other narrative that they have been talking about… which is him hating the guy for not being right enough or whatever you want to call it…
Yes, that’s why I took the politics out of it. Empathy can make you hate people enough to kill them if you see them hurting people you love. I think it’s been proven his house mate / partner is a trans person and they were romantically involved.
CK was sitting, sharing the hateful transphobic ideals he had the actual second he was murdered. Looking into this guy, he wasn’t a MAGA and he wasn’t a leftist. He wasn’t extreme politically and that’s precisely the medias / MAGAs problem : he was just a seemingly average dude who snapped because of the hatred and torment he witnessed from CK.
It’s only this political imo because he killed DT’s pet pig and they’re of course going to use that as FUD. I think the truth is probably that he would have killed CK regardless of who CK aligned with politically.
You mean…they’re not transgender?! Who’d thunk it?!
Just mark one up against the stupid “a lot” response Kirk made when asked how many transgender shooters are out there.
Allegedly dating a trans person tho
Allegedly, we know little so far.
So it’s confirmed, transgender booty so good it will turn conservative white boys into sleeper cell leftist assasins
Which apparently still fits with a subset of the groyper movement.
Nothing confirmed as of yet
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I’ll leave this here for others like me who apparently are really out of the loop
Groypers, sometimes called the Groyper Army, are a group of alt-right, white nationalist, and Christian nationalist 41 activists led by Nick Fuentes. Groypers are a loosely defined group of Fuentes’s followers and fans. They are named after a cartoon amphibian named “Groyper”, a variant of the Internet meme Pepe the Frog.
I’m sad that the supposedly better side is spreading missinformation and propaganda just like that.
Specially because it’s pushing a propaganda about “If your parents are X you are X”. Which is really harmful for all the people not following the same ideology as their parents.
We’re starting to see Democrats react to things the same way MAGAs do. It may not be pretty, but the Michelle Obama Doctrine of “When they go low, we go high,” led directly to the successful rise, and revival, of MAGA, so getting a little ugly has been needed for a long time.
Michelle Obama Doctrine of “When they go low, we go high,” led directly to the successful rise, and revival, of MAGA,
Do you mind expanding on this.
They shouldn’t have been so polite at the rise of MAGA. THE FBI have known that Trump was tangled up with money laundering for Russian Mobster Oligarchs since at least the early 90s. I always assumed that the reason they never arrested him was because he was an informant.
So they knew exactly who he was when he got the nomination in 2016, and they should have arrested him then, but the Democrats were too polite. That’s what kept Obama from being a great president - he was too polite to fight back. We ended up with Trump as president as a result, with the predictable incompetent results.
But we managed to wrest it back, and had the opportunity to crush MAGA for all time. Biden would have been well within his Constitutional rights and especially his RESPONSIBILITIES, to declare Trump and his henchmen to be National Security Threats, and arrested immediately following his Inauguration, and I mean within minutes.
But Biden followed the same weak polite policy for his entire presidency, and not only didn’t press the prosecution of Trump, and others, he didn’t promote his many other successful policies. In the absence of his celebrating his own success, MAGA was happy to fill the space with flat out lies about the same policies.
We saw them stealing the election in real time, and I have a hard time believing that our intelligence agencies didn’t know exactly what was going on, and yet the Dems did absolutely nothing, and allowed MAGA to steal another election, and probably every election in the future.
And then there was the Dems standing aside, pouting, snorting, and stomping their feet, as McConnell stole two SCOTUS seats, instead of doing anything substantial.
MAGA exists because bullies can only exist when someone agrees to be their victim. This is why I have been an Unaffiliated Independent since I first registered to vote in 1977. I don’t want to be a bully, and I don’t want to be the weak weenie victim.
I have a lot of hate in my inbox for telling people that latching onto the groyper narrative was the equivalent of the right claiming the shooter is trans. They sure are quiet lately.
You dumbasses out there just want distance from someone you don’t want representing you.
BE INTELLECTUALLY HONEST YOU FUCKING CHILDREN.
We don’t win by being as deluded as the WWE spectacle chuds who don’t think and just want sides and teams and fighting for territory.
shit, i was hoping this shooter was leftist. i was hoping he was the first sign that the left was willing to do more than just shout while they walk around with signs.
Username checks out. Say hi to your FBI agent, mine says “sup.”
if you’re not on a list by now, you’re not doing it right.
They just needed it to be the right so bad that they went with whatever they could find.
How crazy would it be if we found out he did it for love?
…to impress Jodie Foster.
That’s honestly what I’m thinking it is. He was supposedly dating a trans person and Kirk is a real POS when it comes to that topic so I could imagine him loving his partner so much that he felt the need to kill someone he sees as making life more dangerous for them.
Gonna be terribly ironic when Trump uses this to take rights away from trans people, but it would have happened anyway.
He already is, and he doesn’t need a reason.
Listen, as someone who fell in love with a trans woman decades ago (my ex), it’s more plausible than you’d think. I didn’t go shoot up people since I wasn’t raised right wing, but love does make you do crazy things!
This is what a “slow pivot” looks like. Kirk’s killer didn’t turn out to be the gay, trans, rainbow polar bear the news was hoping for and did their hardest to promote.
The obvious “tidy narrative” is that the son of two Trump supporters, living in an ultra conservative state just might be a conservative himself.
Well, would you look at that:
‘No evidence’ found yet of ties between Charlie Kirk’s shooting and left-wing groups, officials say - NBC News, Sept 20th 2025
What about the tidy narrative of raised in a conservative home with early and easy access to guns?
There haven’t been many shooters that weren’t around right wingers and guns at home, wherever their supposed personal ideologies became.
Also Mormon and Groyper
I’m just still mad Charlie Kirk is getting this much attention and the conservatives haven’t bat an eye to the children shot. I’m still mad the conservatives are the ones always advocating for guns and now that the conservatives have been attacked with a gun they say the left are the dangerous ones, even when the left are the ones who have been saying for years now the guns are out of hand.
This is coming from someone raised in a white conservative christian mom and dad household. They were always hoping for the end of the world or some sort of zombie apocalypse just so they could fully disconnect from the rest of the world and use their guns. When the left was pushing for better gun laws I always heard my parents outraged and saying “they will have to pry my guns out of my cold dead hands” - it’s no wonder I’m a leftist as an adult now. P.S. my parents were also fully on board that the sandy hook shooting was fake and it was all “fake actors” that’s all they think when it’s innocent children getting shot. But when it’s Charlie Kirk then they’re mad and it’s all the lefts fault.
I feel validated in an opinion I have had for ages : that in all the talk about 2nd Amendment rights Americans do guns are nothing but a security blanket they clutch to make them feel like Democracy will be saved or be maintained as long as they clutch their emotional support weapon. They will watch rights be stripped from them, their neighbours carted off in wagons and none of them will shoot even if they have the weapon on their person while this is happening. They will protest, they will write and verbalize their dissent and they will appeal to authority and band together democratically but the ownership of the weapons themselves are useless. Realistically if someone from the government comes for them they will likely go quietly because no one is coming to save them. At that point it’s basically over. The system is too big to fight.
The real resistance is in numbers not armaments. It doesn’t matter what you are wielding if you have solidarity and organization and the bravery to misbehave. Resistance can be in attacking the gears that make things run by not doing your job or doing it poorly. Refusing to comply in a multitude of ways like sending things to the wrong place or making ‘mistakes’ that cost time and effort to fix. A government can only force compliance so much and at the end of the day runs on good faith. Guns are a distraction to jingle in your face so you stay isolated. Building walls between you and other humans with dreams you will defend your own little fort against the tides of tyranny.
Its also the guns are only there to like shoot homeless people and kids apparently?
This is why Kirk was such a nutjob. He admitted the guns are just to kill kids but said it was worth it because insecure adults could still have their snuggy boomboom.
Conservative Americans and their love of guns isn’t really a Christian thing, it’s a cultural phenomenon that goes back to the American Revolution and earlier. Scots-Irish descended Americans have long had a culture based around gun ownership, militias, and xenophobia that may be traced back to England’s many invasions of Scotland and Ireland over the centuries since the Norman conquest of England.
Of course he fits into a tidy narrative: whatever one the right wants. Clearly he’s trans, trans-adjacent, trans-influenced, trans-atlanic who did a bad because the social contagion eroding the social fabric of western (read: cis straight white male-dominated christian) civilization. We knew these facts before Kirk’s body hit the floor.
The rest of the “details” like, reality and evidence or whatever, doesn’t really matter.
He is whatever will make their base ignore further and deeper encroachments in to their, and everyone American’s, rights.
I’ve been following all the news on him and he’s clearly a trans groyper antifa gun enthusiast centrist who likes to play Helldivers II.
(/s)
And it was a professional hit. And it was done by Trump as a distraction. And to cause a race war. And to stop Kirk from spreading hate.
Ok so suppose this is some seemingly normalish apolitical gamer kid that was foolishly taught to solve problems with guns. Kirk was blanket targetting people he cared about and took action to do something about it.
This is the MO of some guy who’s like neighbors are like threatening their wife. Its not a good solution but if the cops won’t help folks being threatened its what people do.
The same day a right wing trump gooner killed a bunch of kids in colorado. Its crazy that the media is all lockstep in whitewashing charlie kirk like this to explicitly go after people fully unrelated to the shootings.
It’s not crazy; they’re capitulating to keep their jobs, and probably their lives.
People want a good weapon they can use to hurt others. But the store only has a human shaped tool. How can we swing that at others?
Please, I just need a “he was a groyper.” The guy behind me wants a “he was trans.”
The more ergonomic the concept the better. Don’t tell me it’s complex or untidy. What’s the point of being trained by the media? I have all these patterns… just fit the guy into one already.
Planted chats. Full of boomer speak. It’s not even chatgpt. Just straight boomer speak.
Good, fuck using fancy LLMs to generate text, just write the fucking words yourself!
I’m pretty sure I know his type and my guess is he “did it for the lulz”
Does Helldiver’s 2 have game chat? Discord seems tame so far.
It does have a game chat. Hardly anyone uses it. Also I don’t think he’s that big on helldivers since he did ⬆️ ➡️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️, when he should have done ➡️ ➡️ ⬆️ or ➡️ ⬆️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ➡️
Fuggin’ turn it over, or let us fall through the grate. We’re already burnt to a crisp.
It’s a 4 person co op game. There’s a local chat for those you’re in with, but that’s it.
