• Hayduke@lemmy.world
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    Funny to think of the right viewing the, globally speaking, center-right as “radical left”. The level of hyperbole and hypocrisy from the right is stupefying.

    It’s one thing I am trying to impart on my kids. If someone speaks fluently in hyperbole and absolutes, or getting louder the more they are challenged (or both), 100% they are full of shit and trying to sell you something.

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      Funny to think of the right viewing the, globally speaking, center-right as “radical left”. The level of hyperbole and hypocrisy from the right is stupefying.

      This is a major part of the problem we’re in. And I’m sorry but I’m going to “both sides” a bit because there is plenty of blame to toss around.

      Democrats and Republicans have both been upping the rhetoric for decades, describing their political opponents in harsher and scarier terms. Most politicians did so understanding that it was all basically just “campaign talk” and not really true. But it gets votes so you do it. You can see this when you see retired politicians giving interviews where their language is much softer and reasonable than when they were in office.

      Republicans turned it up to 11 quicker than Democrats though - and Donald Trump and his followers actually believed the rhetoric rather than understanding that it was just campaign BS.

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          A few Democrats have properly called out Republicans for what they are: fascists and Nazis. This very much hurts the feelings of the fascists. Can’t you see how mean it all is?

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          When did Democrats treat Republicans harshly? The problem is that they don’t, they’re spineless bastards who would rather take one step towards fascism than two steps towards progress

          I get so 'fing sick of this “we play too nice it’s why we lose” BS. And yes - BOTH SIDES do that.

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              Bush II was called a fascist FFS. Back when we still had a court that didn’t believe the president was a king actually and congress would at least occasionally push back on the executive.

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                Just because Dubya wasn’t given the freedom to exact fascism, doesn’t mean The Decider didn’t want it.

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                I’m not gonna go into detail because PhilipTheBucket already did that, but: Yeah, the court only stole the election for him.

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              You notice how things went from “Oh we just call them weird” to full-on “THEY’RE FASCISTS” in like 0 seconds?

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                For the record, the “weird” meme was years after their rhetoric was deemed objectively fascist by every historical expert on the subject. It wasn’t hyperbole, only people saying, “it can’t happen here, that’s a slippery slope argument”.

                And now here we are: SCOTUS-approved racial profiling, concentration camps, disappearing, FCC openly stifling free speech, open attack on sec 230, a budget to benefit oligarchs, pay2win tariffs, rule-by-executive-order. Trump now considers it an act of terrorism to say you are anti-fascism.

                To still bend over backwards to say “both sides” at this point is absolutely wild to me.

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                It was probably because Trump was talking and is now acting, like a fascist.

                Hell, he’s got a card carrying, open neonazi in his cabinet, that he picked. Twice.

                Ie, Gorka.

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        … if one side moves farther to the right, and the other side stays where they are, the side calling out the mover isn’t “both sides”.

        (Not that Democrats haven’t also moved farther right)

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          They literally did a 180 on immigrants when Joe Biden was president what are you talking about lol

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          I mean… I say right in the post that Republicans are worse. But partisans are simply incapable of any introspection.

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            The reason you are being downvoted is because you are doing a “both sides” over two right wing political parties in a left wing space that overwhelmingly recognizes that neither party represents us or our interests. Whether you mean to or not you are lumping everyone left of center in with the right-wing Democrats simply because they are the least-right party that currently exists, and that is not only reductive, but harmfully inaccurate.