You don’t own your device.
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edit: wow, Redditors are better at accepting the truth, lol
So go pander to them.
If I own something, I can do whatever I like with it because it’s mine.
If I can’t do what I like, it’s not truly mine.
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The state of having complete legal control of something;
Ownership is the state or fact of legal possession and control over property,
the act of having and controlling property
Control is a key part of ownership. If Google controls what you can install on a device, it isn’t yours.
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I love when newbie accounts think lemmy is reddit. Makes them easier to ignore.
Its also funny how they edit their comment on their downvotes because it upset them.
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“Ownership” totally does mean it’s yours and you can do whatever you want with it.
That means you can do it, not that you should, nor that what you do won’t have consequences.
It just means your phone won’t stop you from downloading an unapproved app just like a gun won’t stop you from loading an unapproved bullet.
It means your gun has a safety mechanism you can unlock to shoot, as does your phone to download “unverified” apps.
It means you can sell either freely to someone else without it becoming bricked or the new owner losing any rights (lookin’ at you, Tesla cars).
It means defaulting on the loan will require the physical reposession of your phone or gun, and that neither will magically lock you out of using it using telemetry.
It means anyone with the right knowledge and tools can fix your phone and it’ll work, just like your gun.
It means your phone works for you, and not for someone else - just like your gun.
Your phone is a tool. Just like your gun. It can be used for good - and for bad.
What you do with it is up to you, and not up to it or its manufacturer.
It means you can shoot people with your gun, just as you can extort and blackmail people with your phone. Nothing, other than your own morality, the morals of society and therule of law are preventing you from doing bad things. Certainly not the will of the manufacturer.
Any forensic inquiry into a phone on a crime scene would be like that of a gun.
Any taking of your phone from your home or person would require a warrant - like with a gun.
Any inquiry into your phone’s contents and qualities should require outside tools - like a similar inquiry into your gun.
Your phone won’t have a special police-only history of what you’ve used it for - like your gun.
Your phone won’t report what you’ve been doing with it to 3rd parties without your consent - like won’t your gun.
And so on.
But that’s what it means. Or at least, it used to
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But possessing something indicates that you have rights over it that others do not. In this case, you have no rights that G doesn’t.
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A stitch in time saves nine
Wrong
You can’t sew time.
Fuck the app just make it web based
Or keep it an app, but just be a web wrapper.
this is why having google sign all the apps that can go on your android is a really bad idea and why we criticize apple for being a closed walled garden. please trust the nerds over the corporations bro.
People are so stupid in this country. Do what the EU did and make it law that they have to offer sideloading and other app stores and payment methods.
It should be the law to begin with. This walled garden shit is really just another word for controlling what the user does with the device they purchased and not allowing them to do business with anybody else exclusively to add software without apple’s approval and protection racket fee.
Everything is about control. The internet was left open by accident for a while and they are working hard to “fix” it. They are just trying to be slightly less obvious about it than China was. All of the forced AI tools, required apps and stuff like that are just ways to move users away from the open web.
Once most users restrict their Internet usage to ONLY content provided by the large companies (for example, once people no longer click on any Google result), then Internet providers will start granting access to the content from large companies for free and charge a lot more for access to anything else.
In 10, maybe 20 years, we will be needing to tell our internet providers when we change jobs so that they may change which “custom” internet services we get to have access to specifically for work.
It wouldn’t help.
In this case, even if the app was side-loadable and had a web app, that’s enough of a technical hurdle to kill its critical mass.
In other words, it doesn’t have to be banned; suppressing ICEBlock is basically enough to kill it.
EU didn’t do anything except lower the tax on developers from 30% to 27%. And they still require Apple’s rubber stamp to install.
They should have been concerned about OS lock-in, instead of app store lock-in. Imagine being able to install the OS of your choice on your phone.
Why not both?
Yeah, you still can’t install arbitrary IPA files on iOS.
Was there any reason to make this an ios app as opposed to a website hosted outside the US? I’m really not surprised by the removal. What did they expect? All the Tech CEOs came to the inauguration with bags of cash.
Yeah good point. Plus if it’s a website you can use it in private mode and not have evidence that you were helping people evade the gestapo all over your phone.
Barrier to entry.
Many (dare I say most) folks don’t know how to use a web browser, much less find a web app. Installing an App Store app is much easier.
It’s also much lower visibility for those who do know.
And that’s especially critical for this app, which relies on tons of people using it.
The creator is a dumdum
This is what sideloading is supposed to prevent
Brings new meaning to Google’s decision to (effectively) block side loading on Android
Rebrand it with the same tech as something like “Friend Sightings!” It’s not a 1A violation because Apple banned it, it is a 1A violation because the government made them ban it.
It’s still on my phone! Sorry Tim Apple!
Still on mine as well. Why were folks slow to add this app?
I didn’t know it existed.
Some people are republicans? 🤷♂️
(I know, I can’t explain it either.)
Pretty sure Tim Apple couldn’t care less, he just has to appease the Tangerine in Chief.
You supported Apple if your own their phone. You helped them do this.
Being constantly tracked is for the plebs, not the Elites or their enforcers.
Back in the aughts I was an apple fanboy. Later they no longer had the edge but I won’t say it was completely not an option. Now it is completely not an option.
Just in case, if you’re (still) a Nintendo, Sony, Tesla, Disney, Spotify, … fan, it’s not too late to change your mind about them too :)
I’ve cut those out, except tesla because I never had one, and never will
Totally agree, but what to do? Just forsake all entertainment, media, and technology at this point?
There are a lot of alternatives to these corpos
High seas
im off almost everything.
Do you own an iPhone? Oh, hey, you helped ICE.
Yes, you did.
- boycott
- problem solved
Yup. That would do it.
Apple fans gave up years ago, though. They don’t want to give any effort. That’s why you’re being downvoted.
ICEBlock was really poorly designed from what I understand.
For people downvoting the above, read some criticisms the app such as:
https://micahflee.com/unfortunately-the-iceblock-app-is-activism-theater/
I don’t know of the take-down legit but the security of the app has been questioned, too.
Edit: The removal was bullshit. Apple should be pressured to put it back. But, the developer or someone else could do much better.
IIRC it’s also not open source, which for me is a big barrier to using it and trusting it at all (other than it being iOS-only).
Stop. Fucking. Using. Apple. Products.
Why would you pay 1k+ for a phone you don’t even own/control?
You’ve heard about Android, right? We all have like six months to find a new platform.
In their defense, that’s a lot longer than Apple users have had in the last DECADE.
on google based phones if using google services, the product is you
Lol. As if apple is any different. Stop drinking the Kool Aid.
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All the apple fans out down voting today…
FYI this may not be the time to take allegiance with them if you at all understand what is going on.
If you understand what is going on then you understand that, as of right now, all mobile users are thoroughly fucked. Google is about to gatekeep all Android app development and we don’t have any serious third options. The monopoly noose is tightening around the world’s neck.
Apple, Google, they are both greedy, evil, abusive corporate oligarchs. “Apple bad” helps nobody. Google is just as bad. We need more options. Until Graphene works on non-Google devices, it’s not much of an alternative. Until UBPorts gets more support and adoption, it’s not much of an alternative either. We’re in a very bad place.
Oh, let’s rewrite history, eh?
Android allows sideloading for over two decades, but sure… BoTH sIdEs aRe thE sAmE.
Let’s pretend Apple’s wild success isn’t to blame for this.
I’m very well aware, but the apple folks tend to be a LOT more dogmatic and vocal. When people talk shit about android, nobody really cares. Do it to apple? Jfc.
I am pointing this out because the current mess will never change for the better until apple users stop supporting apple. No, you dont have a lot of choices, but stop signaling support for them. Get mad and demand better. Be vocal about THAT.
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I have a great dislike for Apple, and have never bought or used any of their products. I still downvoted the comment because it’s wrong (use doesn’t define general intelligence), toxic, and misguided (attacks those that we would prefer to change).
You thinking downvotes are (mainly? fully?) apple fans speaks volumes.
I just want to say I laughed at this.
This is like claiming most people downvoting ICE might not be conservatives.
Like, congrats if you’re being genuine… You’re like the Hispanic Trump voters. You think you’re doing something good, but you’re just helping the wrong side win.
What do you base this on?
Lemmy seem quite heavily skewed towards non-apple users.
What specifically makes me like a Hispanic Trump voter? Where’s the equivalence of self-sabotage?
In what way do I help the wrong side win?
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What makes me a moron?
