Seems like hard-core hate for anyone religious is fine in many circles. Is there a point where it becomes as problematic as other forms of bigotry? Not any specific religion necessarily just the disdain for the religious in general.
If you hate them just because they’re religious that’s bigotry
but there are a lot of people who use religion to justify bigoted or harmful beliefs. for those I have no tolerance and I’m not sorry 💅
My stance is anyone using any belief system to excuse hate is wrong.
Like immediately, by definition
Don’t hate people.
Hate the perverse, uncivic, inherently tribalistic ideas of “belief without evidence”, “felt truth”, and “chosen people”
They are all toxic memes antithetical to a modern inclusive pluralistic society.
Hate the institutions not the members of them?
I suppose it’s similar to when you criticize something like, say, China or the USA. Are you also hateful towards the Chinese or Americans? Similar here.
I consider every form of religion to be highly dangerous and I think every religious person is delusional, irrational and illogical, to say the least. I simply avoid them like the plague and mind my own business. It’s a massive dealbreaker for any personal relationship with me. Nope, thanks. I don’t need that in my life.
Would you consider yourself a bigot ?
I consider myself anti-religious, but I don’t knock at your door at fucking 7:30 in the morning asking if you’d like to talk about atheism. I don’t creep around public places handling out pamphlets promoting atheism. I don’t deny people their rights to be moronic simpletons who can’t think for themselves. I do, however, say ‘go jump in a lake’ to religious people whenever they bother me.
That’s fair. You’re morally and intellectually superior but you don’t HATE anyone. That’s been the general consensus I’ve seen so far.
They consider themself to be morally and intellectually superior.
By definition they are… Considering oneself as one is a different matter ;)
That’s the part that I find interesting though.
This falls under the paradox of intolerance for me
You would consider all religious people intolerant then?
I’ll answer with another vague response. People are dumb, but a person can be smart
When they stop legislating their doctrine.
In the US or in general? Both is reasonable as well I guess.
I think this is a great question because it absolutely gets the point. The enemy is the system, not the people. This informs you both who and how you fight back. So when someone is saying something bigoted for religious reasons, the problem isn’t necessarily that particular person, but the religious system that brainwashed them. In fact, it was a specific flavor of that religious system.
I think a more clear distinction can be found in feminism. Feminism isn’t about fighting men, but fighting patriarchy. So, sure, there are men who are dickhead misogynists, but they are also potential allies that are also hurt by patriarchy. It’s the system and those who specifically aim to perpetuate said system. Social philosophers tend to point to systems rather than people constantly, because it’s so common for people to point out symptoms rather than the cause. So when we know to identify patriarchy rather than misogynists, yeah, we’ll still call out misogynist men for sure, but also women that perpetuate patriarchy.
So if I’m blaming the system rather than the person, maybe I’m recognizing the religious person’s commitment to truth and appealing to that rather than labeling them the enemy and writing them off completely. I think something that gets lost in all the polarizing bullshit as of recent is recognizing that a great way to make another bigot not exist is to persuade them to not be a bigot anymore. The enemy isn’t people, it’s the fucking system. Like the great poets have said: “Don’t blame it on the Needy, don’t blame it on the Poor, don’t blame it on the Jew, blame it on the system. Blame it on the fucking system.”
Interesting and well thought out reply, thank you.
I just think hate is generally an unproductive feeling regardless of who it’s towards. Don’t get me wrong I’m not trying to claim that I’m perfect and never find myself feeling it, I just try to avoid it.
That’s honest
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Nothing good comes from hate. Hate is an emotion, and when you’re emotional, you cannot fix or improve things.
Hate is the beginning.
Hate.
Hard core hate.
Hard core hate for anyone religious.
I am sure individuals who have this hate in them, and there are circles where strong disrespect for anyone religious is tolerated, but this? No. And “many” circles?
I’m sorry but I do not believe the premise for the question to be real.
Wrote the question based on some comments I’d seen on lemmy, reddit and conversations with friends. If you don’t think many people believe hating someone based on their religion is morally correct, you should read some of the comments in this thread. It started with a long conversation with a close friend of mine. He considers himself an atheist and views religion and religious people as the root of most major evils in the world. I think its a reasonable premise based on my lived experience. Just curious what other people think.
Pretty much immediately. You can hate extremism, you can hate corrupt and damaging institutions and you can hate intolerance. But don’t hate someone just because they believe something you don’t or you believe the same thing in a slightly different way.
That’s close to how I feel.
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Solid
If you’re still taking supernatural campfire stories with you into adulthood, I view you as a child and, well, children should be seen and not heard.
Yeah that’s pretty much what I’ve gathered from this thread and conversations I’ve had. Both sides see themselves as morally and intellectually superior. I don’t see much willing cohesion being possible on the extreme sides of either. Luckily the majority of people seem to fall in the middle.
If it improves your moral responsibility and helps you be kind and accepting, I’m all for it. But lording over others with “God’s plan” or whatever is just social engineering for dominator culture. That’s not very wuwei of them.
children should be seen and not heard.
Bruh, wtf
“Bruh”? Take a seat, kiddo.
Says the person that sounds like they beat their kids
Swing again; you missed. There are more ways to get through to people than violence. That’s why I don’t practice religion.
Swing again; you missed.
After all that practice you had on your kids? Oof, that must be embarrassing
