Hi, I am not exactly sure how best to frame this, but recent events have got me wondering where exactly Framework, as a company, stands with regards to human rights and equality. If I understand correctly (and please do correct me if I am wrong), it seems like Framework has started sponsoring Hyprland: So I presume this is fact: Framework, as a company, has decided to sponsor a Wayland compositor who is well known to be led as a rather “toxic and hateful community”. Separately, but on the ...

Title of the (concerning) thread on their community forum, not voluntary clickbait. Came across the thread thanks to a toot by @Khrys@mamot.fr (French speaking)

The gist of the issue raised by OP is that framework sponsors and promotes projects lead by known toxic and racists people (DHH among them).

I agree with the point made by the OP :

The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.

I’m disappointed in framework’s answer so far

    • Luci@lemmy.caEnglish
      463·
      2 个月前

      No we use Lemmy and make fun of the Tankies as revenge

    • Jason2357@lemmy.caEnglish
      297·
      2 个月前

      Certainly a tough question. Use Lemmy, okay, but would you send financial contributions to said Tankie? I wouldn’t, and I would judge someone that did. I don’t think anyone can be expected to evaluate the moral virtues of the developer for every technology they use. That’s a supply chain nightmare. But, given the small number of people we directly sponsor, maybe then it’s appropriate to have some standards?

      As a non-US citizen, I actually consider /any/ American company that has not moved to be complicit in fascism. At the same time, I havn’t completely stopped patronizing American companies, so I’m not living up to my own standard. I suspect everyone is a little hypocritical.

      • loutr@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        33·
        2 个月前

        It’s literally impossible to use the internet (or even computers?) without patronizing American companies, at least indirectly.

      • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.worldEnglish
        14·
        2 个月前

        It’s certainly not feasible for every company to leave America, but I wouldn’t argue with a boycott of American goods and services on general - and I’m saying this as an American citizen who’s not exactly thrilled about this mess, either.

      • Auth@lemmy.worldEnglish
        114·
        2 个月前

        It is is you support lemmy’s development which for a foss platform its expected users do

        • priapus@piefed.socialEnglish
          102·
          2 个月前

          But not required. If I do not morally support the developer I can instead choose to financially support individual instances, or other projects like Piefed or mbin.

          My point here is that comparing this situation to using Lemmy is a bad comparison. Supporting Framework is pretty much exclusively via financial support, the same is not true for Lemmy.

          • Reginald_T_Biter@lemmy.worldEnglish
            53·
            2 个月前

            Doesn’t seem clear cut at all after reading the whole thread. You support one thing who’s creator has questionable views but not the other. The main difference seems to be that you like one and not the other.

            • priapus@piefed.socialEnglish
              2·
              2 个月前

              What doesn’t seem clear-cut? My only point here was that using Lemmy does not directly fund the creator of it.

              You support one thing who’s creator has questionable views but not the other. The main difference seems to be that you like one and not the other.

              You’re making assumptions about me. I use Piefed, not Lemmy. I also do not believe that this situation is enough for me to not support Framework. All I’m saying here is that supporting Framework is for the most part direct financial support, while one can easily support the Lemmy as a whole, without providing financial support to the creator with questionable views.

              I don’t care to debate about whether this makes supporting Lemmy better or worse than supporting Framework. I only on what I feel is an oversight in the comparison made by the comment I originally replied to.

      • amorpheus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        33·
        2 个月前

        Using lemmy increases its popularity which in turn leads to more donations or other benefits.

        • priapus@piefed.socialEnglish
          2·
          2 个月前

          Thats a valid point, but I still feel its a less direct form of support, which was my point. I dont feel that it is the same as directly financially supporting a project you morally disagree with.

    • aquovie@lemmy.cafeEnglish
      4·
      2 个月前

      It’s a significant factor for sure. However, this year Reddit has accelerated its enshittification since the API schism and is far too risky to continue use anyway. The only viable alternative to Lemmy that I see is Mastodon and I never really got into the Twitter format.

    • OctopusNemeses@lemmy.worldEnglish
      31·
      2 个月前

      If the far right would stop using Lemmy that would be fantastic news. (inb4 hurr durr echo chamber!!!11!)

    • Slotos@feddit.nlEnglish
      42·
      2 个月前

      A naive answer:

      Replace “Lemmy” with a “Nazi manufactured gun”.

      A less naive answer:

      Consider various meanings “use” takes in your question and decide accordingly.