Thursday marks the 30th day of the federal government shutdown and the American public has grown more concerned about the shutdown throughout the month and more disapprove of how Donald Trump is handling the federal government, according to an ABC News/Washington Post/Ipsos poll conducted using Ipsos’ KnowledgePanel.
More Americans blame Trump and the Republicans in Congress than the Democrats for the shutdown, the poll finds.
At this point, most Americans recognize that if Dems vote to end the shutdown, they are really surrendering health care for a large swath of American families. It will take 5 Dems to vote yes, and destroy American health care (making it worse than it already is). Any Dem that does that before this is resolved, should be officially primaried out of office.
Even many MAGAs see this, but are pretending to not see it, for the good of the party. But starting on Saturday, they will all have to come to grips with their new health care premiums, and most will realize that if the Dems vote Yes, those new high health insurance premiums become PERMANENT - and that is exactly what MAGA wants.
The Dems are winning the propaganda war for a change, and as of Saturday, they have the unassailable high ground to demand anything they want.
But what they will really do is eventually fold, thinking that if MAGA takes their health care away, they’ll just fight for it back after they win in 2026 and 2028. Then they’ll lose both of those elections to massive election fraud, that they will deny as hard as MAGA.
what healthcare? the insurance subsidies that go to private insurance companies that don’t have our best interest in mind?
democrats never intended to help did we would have living wages, more funding for education, less police, universal healthcare, etcetera
You must be too young to remember when American had ZERO options, other than to pay a lot of money for terrible health insurance. Now we have the same terrible options, but at least they cost less.
And Democrats are ACTIVELY working for all those things you mentioned.
Higher minimum wages:
Red states are still stuck at the Federal level of $7.25, but Blue states are higher, often twice as high or even higher. Even MAGA HQ Florida’s minimum wage is $15. It’s the Dems that have been working to lift wages and support unions and workers’ rights. Sure, they could always do more, but at least they aren’t actively moving us toward slavery, like MAGA.
More funding for education:
Yeah, Dems have ALWAYS been about that. It’s MAGAs who want to kill public education, and only let wealthy kids have decent PRIVATE educations. Have you ever heard a SINGLE Democrat call for the end of the Department of Education?
Less Police?
Are you paying attention at all? Dems are constantly taking fire for the very poor choice of the phrase “Defund the Police,” which MAGA was happy to smear Dems with.
Universal Health Care:
I wish more Dems were on board, but many are, and absolutely NO MAGAs are. If you want Universal Health Care of some sort, it’s going to come from the Dems, not MAGA.
There’s a big difference between not wanting something, and not accomplishing something. The Dems WANT all those things, they’ve just been bad at accomplishing them, due to their fundamental weaknesses as human beings, and their feral fear of being bullied by MAGAs. Lately, they have grown a bit more of a spine, but it may be too late.
If you want those things, you will only get them through a Democratic government. MAGA wants to take those things away, then kill you. Minimum wage? There’s no minimum wage. Education? Health Care? Pay for it. Can’t afford it? Too bad, you should have gotten a good education, so you could have a good job, given to you by your rich father’s fraternity brother.
Dems aren’t fundamentally evil, like MAGA, they are just frustratingly, infuriatingly weak and cowardly. They have the moral high ground on everything, and yet they refuse to use it. They are too fucking polite, and we will lose our Democracy over it.
Red states are still stuck at the Federal level of $7.25, but Blue states are higher, often twice as high or even higher.
The message to working people in red states is “we got ours, fuck you.”
It’s the Dems that have been working to lift wages and support unions and workers’ rights.
It’s the dems whose final message to working people was Sinema’s thumbs down.
Are you paying attention at all? Dems are constantly taking fire for the very poor choice of the phrase “Defund the Police,” which MAGA was happy to smear Dems with.
And dems were happy to have the excuse to, as biden gleefully said in a state of the union address “Fund the police!” He was clearly eager to get back to the brutal status quo. And he got a standing ovation for it.
There’s a big difference between not wanting something, and not accomplishing something. The Dems WANT all those things,
Enough lies. Democrats have been claiming to want things and then doing nothing to pursue them for decades. They dropped everything for netanyahu’s slightest whim, since it what they wanted to do. It’s the only time I’ve seen them chuck incrementalism out the window. It’s the only time I’ve seen them actually stand for something in the face of pushback.
If democrats were a quarter as serious about keeping their campaign promises as they were about giving netanyahu whatever he wanted, you wouldn’t be like “we totally wanted to do what we voted against. bEhInD tHe ScEnEs.”
You make no sense at all. Sinema was never any kind representative of the Dems. To use her treasonous record as representative of the Democratic agenda is wildly disingenuous, and destroys any credibility you have.
Stop thinking like a MAGA Traitor, and start thinking like an American.
Sinema was never any kind representative of the Dems.
Then they need a new messenger, because her thumbs down is the entire democratic message to workers.
Stop thinking like a MAGA Traitor
Stop acting like a class traitor.
You can struggle all you want to make Sinema the face of the Democratic Party, but the truth is that she is an irrelevant footnote, whose own constituents replaced her with a different Democrat. They literally fired her.
If you want an example of a Democrat standing up for workers, then point to Joe Biden attending the picket lines of various strikes, while he was campaigning for president. You can question his sincerity, but at least he was making the gesture, instead of demonizing them.
And “Class Traitor?” WTF is that? What “Class” do you think I belong to that I am betraying?I have never once thought of myself as belonging to ANY Class, other than my graduating class. Truly baffling.
You can struggle all you want to make Sinema the face of the Democratic Party
None has been more clear on labor.
biden’s appearance on one picket line was a photo op to try to gloss over how he had broken the rail strike.
And “Class Traitor?” WTF is that? What “Class” do you think I belong to that I am betraying?
Oh, you don’t like being called a traitor? Or is it only ok to use that word when you’re using it to claim that anyone to your left must be all the way to your right?
last democrat president fought for segregated schools and spearheaded crime bills designed to put people away in zoos for the rest of their life and was hugely religious plus loved big oil
president before that one was republican but worked with democrats notably walz who strongarmed oil pipeline protesters all on Native American land granted by treaties
the one before him was democrat for two terms who ran on a platform of hope\change but we ended up with private health insurance subsidies and no living wages or anything else
no point going back further all the same and do not want that high ground or politeness for the United States
Sure, blame Biden for his single vote in a complex political environment from 50 years ago, and then blame Obama for trying, but not fully accomplishing his agenda against a ferocious Republican Legislature who had openly pledged to wreck his presidency, even if they had to wreck America to do it. Mitch McConnell actually said that, then followed through. But it’s Obama’s fault for not accomplishing EVERYTHING.
Look, I’m no Democrat, I’ve been an Unaffiliated Independent since I registered to vote in 1977. I don’t like either party. But it is clear that one is trying - poorly, but trying. The other side is clearly, actively, enthusiastically, EVIL. Destroying America is literally entertaining for them.
The Democrats don’t operate in a vacuum, they are constantly under vicious attack by MAGA, who literally wants to kill them, and EVERYBODY on their side. Stop blaming them for not winning every battle against the evil, cheating MAGAs.
wait what battles have they won?
The ACA that MAGA is trying to kill, for one. Beating Trump in 2020, for another. They’ve had quite a few, but they’ve also taken some losses that were at least partially self-inflicted.
You’re not wrong. Chomsky had been saying for decades we have a center right party and a far right party. People like Eisenhower and FDR would be in the Bernie Sanders category and disenfranchised by our gilded and corrupt contemporary political system. This is the whole problem.
This is such a stupid picture.
Well no shit! When one party controls the House, Senate and presidency while owning the Supreme Court, the fuck are we supposed to think?
FFS
The fact any significant amount blame democrats really shows you just how powerful republican propoganda and mindshare is right now.
I think republicans don’t care at all what the majority thinks. They understand fully that our Federal system is rigged from top to bottom to give rural landowners disproportional voting power. So you can just lie your ass off to the 30% of your base that is ride-or-die, and as long as that 30% happens to live in the right areas of the right swing states nothing else matters.
I get that politicians may get deadlocked, Belgium was almost 2 years without government not long ago.
But why does the US politicians deadlock impact public spending already allotted? Especially long running programs and public employees.
In the civilized world, budgets get extended until politicians manage to change it.
Here’s the really bonkers thing: the actual budget is passed, they know exactly how much is meant for each agency. What’s been held up is actually putting that money in the account and authotizing the spending of it. We could have combined the two, and appropriated money in the same act that budgeted it. But we separate them, on purpose, to give the politicians more steps to negotiate things.
As far as I can tell, we are the only large country that separates budgets and appropriations like this. In most other countries, failure to fully fund the government would be seen as a sign of weakness in the government. But here, we have one party whose core mission is to shrink the size of Federal government. Conservatives here think that failing to fund the government shows strength.
Laws were changed back around the 80s (I believe) to create this pressure. It used to be that people would still get paid, but apparently that was too functional for us.
How is this the first I am hearing that Belgium was just open for the taking?
And isn’t the deadlock not sposed to influence that like we’re supposed to have money for SNAP to continue.
In parliamentary systems, “not having a government” isn’t as catastrophic as it sounds. It varies by country, but generally speaking the Executive and Legislative branches are run together. When there is a clear party majority in the Parliament, that party gets to pick all the heads of the executive branch. When there is not a clear majority, but a coalition of parties that make up a majority, they negotiate which party gets to head which department.
When there is not even that coalition, nobody will agree on those department heads. The departments don’t grind to a halt in most cases. There are lower-level deputies who can take over day-to-day administration, and there are usually still funds available. But no big decisions can be made without the formal department head. It mainly runs in place. (And, without any majority in Parliament, odds are there are not any laws getting passed either).
In many countries, this condition of the Parliament existing with no governing majority can trigger a new election, so the Parliament can have a new chance to get out of its deadlock. Why was Belgium different? You’ll have to ask a Belgian.
What is going on in the US is much different. We have a government in place, it just can’t agree on funding executive agencies, and we have laws on the books that specifically restrict what agencies can do without funding. We could have structured things differently, but did not. Our politicians want this chaos, because they think they can gain politically from it.
Trump really only knows how to do one thing: create a phony crisis, then use it as an opportunity for extortion.
No taxation without representation.
A shut down government isn’t representing anyone. So it should come out of taxes.
I’m like 63% sure that the vast majority of the politicians in this country, at all levels and for all parties, don’t actually give a fuck about the people they represent. GOP is just trying to fuck kids. Democrats are just writing mildly worded letters cause they don’t want to offend anyone.
they wernt concerned before the election.?
eh my life experience has thought me that there is a fine line between polls and wishful thinking
It feels hopeless, the aca will just be refunded and ERs will be full of uninsured debt ridden sick people. I remember having to go through that, please not again
I remember having to go through that, please not again
People in red states still have to go through that. Democrats don’t care at all.
EDIT: If they cared, they would have revisited the public option or attempted to close the loophole that lets red states opt out of medicaid expansion when they had a majority. They got theirs, so they don’t give a shit.
That’s not the democrats fault. That means the people voted for Republicans and chosen not to expand medicaid. Vote out the Republicans denying you Healthcare if that matters to you.
That’s not the democrats fault.
They didn’t pursue it at all during the most recent majority. Yes, it absolutely is their fault for not even trying at all.
My only hope is that democrats on the national level will stop being useless on purpose some day. My state is run by republicans and their opposition is more concerned with opposing progressives in primaries than winning general elections. I have no choice but to count on democrats to keep their campaign promises.
Since I deserve to go bankrupt and die for being outnumbered, according to you.
I don’t disagree with you that democrats need to be doing more. But when half of the country seems committed to tearing the country apart, passing multiple pieces of meaningful legislation (don’t forget things like Build Back Better) sadly feels like a high bar.
And I apologize for the accusatory tone, I know that’s not something directly in your control. But let’s also be honest, the Republicans are the ones preventing Healthcare expansion in your state, democrats may not be perfect, but they’re not the ones holding power in your state.
I don’t disagree with you that democrats need to be doing more. But when half of the country seems committed to tearing the country apart, passing multiple pieces of meaningful legislation (don’t forget things like Build Back Better) sadly feels like a high bar.
Oh, I haven’t forgotten about how democrats gutted build back better of any tangible individual benefit except for 10 discounted drugs for boomers who already got theirs.
And I apologize for the accusatory tone, I know that’s not something directly in your control.
Not accepted. You are fine with me suffering as long as you’re comfortable.
But let’s also be honest, the Republicans are the ones preventing Healthcare expansion in your state
And I deserve it because I’m outnumbered. Democrats doing nothing to rectify the problem their overcomplicated half measure caused is my fault because I’m from a red state so I deserve bankruptcy and death.
democrats may not be perfect, but they’re not the ones holding power in your state.
They had power at the national level. They chose to help netanyahu with that power instead, since it’s their only fucking priority.
They’ll likely kick the can with a CR and they’ll do it all over again.
They’re talking about doing away with the filibuster, which would lower the number of votes they need.
Should have done it 30 years ago
What is a CR?
Continuing Resolution
