Well m-series macs are decent spec and reliability wise, but repairability is a shitshow. I’d buy one if I could afford it (but I suspect the keyboard is terrible). Edit: Linux in a few years is possible.
That’s why the company buys it! I wouldn’t buy one personally either (I had a personal M1 Air but Pro is too much for me). The keyboard got improved a lot in 2019 or so, it was the 2016-2018 one that sucked ass.
I was told the same at multiple jobs and just asked kindly that they spend the money on a linux compatible laptop. I had arguments to back my statement up too. It worked out.
YMMV
Good luck (if you want to go down this path and haven’t become a farmer yet).
What UI? Get a tiling window manager for all your terminal windows and then have your IDE or editor in one full screen workspace and the application being tested in another, browser for reading documentation and Lemmy in the 3rd one. You don’t even need to see the MacOS UI when working.
Like the other person said, “what ui”? Sounds like you didn’t even try it, like opening up GNOME and saying “this sucks” and then immediately turning the computer off.
I learned to hate the Mac forced upon me for the time I used it, thank you very much. Fuck everything about those boots from the fruit store. Especially in a multi-architecture team, fuck macs.
I cba to find it but there was a tweet of someone saying that buying devs M1 Pro MBPs pays off in half a year from the shrink in compilation times. Some guy got snarky in the replies implying it can’t be a very big project (in terms of the users and whatever) that OP’s team was working on and it turned out to be the Reddit Android app.
It was already significantly more popular than the good apps by then. The API access thing was to improve numbers further for the IPO. But the app is definitely big enough to have compilation times that can be bothersome. Doesn’t mean it’s a good app of course.
Sure, if you compare it to a thinkpad for 1k. M1 Macbook pros cost how much when they were released? 2.5k? 3k? Of you’re going to get reduced compilation times. But what exactly is it “paying of”? How is the calculation from time to money done?
“I can store so much stuff in my RAM, it’ll pay back in 6 months”. Such a random metric.
A well specced Thinkpad is more like 2-3k. Calculation from time to money is done assuming a 40 hour work week and the average salary of a software engineer in that team. The comparison was to an Intel core i9 MBP IIRC. And the comparison wasn’t two laptops, it was replacing the year or 2 old ones for the new model, not accounting for resale value on the old ones even.
If I resort to using a Mac I want someone to put me out of my misery.
Well m-series macs are decent spec and reliability wise, but repairability is a shitshow. I’d buy one if I could afford it (but I suspect the keyboard is terrible). Edit: Linux in a few years is possible.
That’s why the company buys it! I wouldn’t buy one personally either (I had a personal M1 Air but Pro is too much for me). The keyboard got improved a lot in 2019 or so, it was the 2016-2018 one that sucked ass.
Mac user here.
Rght? "I want something shiny to write my code on because it makes me look cool and costs a lot " is not ether sign of seniority.
I had two options at work.
Mac or Windows 11.
I was told the same at multiple jobs and just asked kindly that they spend the money on a linux compatible laptop. I had arguments to back my statement up too. It worked out.
YMMV
Good luck (if you want to go down this path and haven’t become a farmer yet).
oh I asked. this is a big company with 6-8k employees.
the answer was always, “no”.
looking for my plot, though I might just become a fur trapper instead of a farmer.
That explains it, yeah. Companies of that size often aren’t open for change unless it is top down.
Good luck with the fur trapping. Not sure if there’ll be less bugs though ;)
I can only imagine that you’ve never touched a mac much less used one for development.
I did. The UI sucks.
What UI? Get a tiling window manager for all your terminal windows and then have your IDE or editor in one full screen workspace and the application being tested in another, browser for reading documentation and Lemmy in the 3rd one. You don’t even need to see the MacOS UI when working.
Like the other person said, “what ui”? Sounds like you didn’t even try it, like opening up GNOME and saying “this sucks” and then immediately turning the computer off.
I learned to hate the Mac forced upon me for the time I used it, thank you very much. Fuck everything about those boots from the fruit store. Especially in a multi-architecture team, fuck macs.
I cba to find it but there was a tweet of someone saying that buying devs M1 Pro MBPs pays off in half a year from the shrink in compilation times. Some guy got snarky in the replies implying it can’t be a very big project (in terms of the users and whatever) that OP’s team was working on and it turned out to be the Reddit Android app.
I mean… the official Reddit app was so bad that they had to charge for API access in order to get real market share.
It was already significantly more popular than the good apps by then. The API access thing was to improve numbers further for the IPO. But the app is definitely big enough to have compilation times that can be bothersome. Doesn’t mean it’s a good app of course.
Sure, if you compare it to a thinkpad for 1k. M1 Macbook pros cost how much when they were released? 2.5k? 3k? Of you’re going to get reduced compilation times. But what exactly is it “paying of”? How is the calculation from time to money done?
“I can store so much stuff in my RAM, it’ll pay back in 6 months”. Such a random metric.
A well specced Thinkpad is more like 2-3k. Calculation from time to money is done assuming a 40 hour work week and the average salary of a software engineer in that team. The comparison was to an Intel core i9 MBP IIRC. And the comparison wasn’t two laptops, it was replacing the year or 2 old ones for the new model, not accounting for resale value on the old ones even.