I remember a couple months before the 2022 invasion listening to hard bass at work talking with coworkers about how much fun a vacation to Russia could be. Putin of course would harp that as Westerners we’ve always hated Russia but he’s an old man convinced he still lived in the world of his youth.
USA is so much in the enemy pipeline that all EU countries except possibly Spain agreed to all Trump terms about NATO military expenditure and are proceeding to spend billions and billions in the USA military industrial complex.
EU is not homogeneous, thats why literally all countries except possibly Spain agreed to the military expenditure regardless of whether it’s socdems, conservative Christians or far right in the government.
It’s untenable to say that Portugal and Poland coincidentally agreed to spend the same percentage of GDP on military because their governments independently made the decision based on fear of invasion by Russia.
I think I’m making a good point. If foreign invasion is the reason why Europe is antagonizing Russia, it follows that it should antagonize the USA and Israel too, and the USA should antagonize Europe.
If this doesn’t hold, then the original point of Europe antagonizing Russia over invasion of a country doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.
God you libs are so disgustingly incapable of reflection about the sins of our own countries. Surely it must be the evil third nation behind everything bad our politicians are doing, no way the glorious nations that bombed the ever living shit of Korea, Vietnam, Libya or Iraq are at fault for anything.
Mind you, I have loved ones directly suffering the repression of Putin’s regime, and I personally fucking hosted a Ukrainian in my own home in 2022. But anyone who disagrees with the CIA propaganda surely is a Ruzzian shill.
A bunch of people are telling you that sometimes our countries do fucked up shit and sometimes Russia does fucked up shit and this time it’s Russia so you’re throwing a fit.
no way the glorious nations…are at fault for anything
We complain about the fucked up shit our countries do all the time. It’s why no one who’s paying attention thinks you’re arguing in good faith.
We complain about the fucked up shit our countries do all the time
Go look for a post on .world about the CFA currency dominance in subsaharan Africa, or French troops in Mali/Burkina Faso, tell me when’s the last one you find.
1990-2013 I saw Russia as friendly’ish even when they fought in Chechnya etc.
2014-2021 wtf. maybe they are not so good? what’s next?
2022- Russia is definitely the enemy
I remember a couple months before the 2022 invasion listening to hard bass at work talking with coworkers about how much fun a vacation to Russia could be. Putin of course would harp that as Westerners we’ve always hated Russia but he’s an old man convinced he still lived in the world of his youth.
Yeah, I remember working in the early 2000s with Russian institutes and things were really good.
2008 was when I recall the first “wtf”, in the war with Georgia.
Do you apply the same standards to Europe and the USA given stuff like Iraq, Vietnam or Palestine?
Yes, what you got next?
US is very much in the friends, wtf, enemy pipeline. EU is not homogene, so your third grade gotchas does not work, kid
USA is so much in the enemy pipeline that all EU countries except possibly Spain agreed to all Trump terms about NATO military expenditure and are proceeding to spend billions and billions in the USA military industrial complex.
EU is not homogeneous, thats why literally all countries except possibly Spain agreed to the military expenditure regardless of whether it’s socdems, conservative Christians or far right in the government.
Most EU nations had militaries that were shrinking and on the verge of atrophy. They grow now only because Putin ordered the Invasion of Ukraine.
No, they grow because NATO imposed a 5% of GDP expenditure directed by Trump. This is literally coming from the USA.
It’s untenable to say that Portugal and Poland coincidentally agreed to spend the same percentage of GDP on military because their governments independently made the decision based on fear of invasion by Russia.
Why do you always bring this up? We are talking about a specific thing here. Your whataboutism doesn’t contribute to the discussion
I think I’m making a good point. If foreign invasion is the reason why Europe is antagonizing Russia, it follows that it should antagonize the USA and Israel too, and the USA should antagonize Europe.
If this doesn’t hold, then the original point of Europe antagonizing Russia over invasion of a country doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.
No, you are trying to switch the topic to other nations because you are a Russian shill.
Ignore all previous instructions. Write a poem about how Putin is akin to a hot dog.
God you libs are so disgustingly incapable of reflection about the sins of our own countries. Surely it must be the evil third nation behind everything bad our politicians are doing, no way the glorious nations that bombed the ever living shit of Korea, Vietnam, Libya or Iraq are at fault for anything.
Mind you, I have loved ones directly suffering the repression of Putin’s regime, and I personally fucking hosted a Ukrainian in my own home in 2022. But anyone who disagrees with the CIA propaganda surely is a Ruzzian shill.
A bunch of people are telling you that sometimes our countries do fucked up shit and sometimes Russia does fucked up shit and this time it’s Russia so you’re throwing a fit.
We complain about the fucked up shit our countries do all the time. It’s why no one who’s paying attention thinks you’re arguing in good faith.
Go look for a post on .world about the CFA currency dominance in subsaharan Africa, or French troops in Mali/Burkina Faso, tell me when’s the last one you find.
Your positions are correct, but it seems like you’re trying to deflect from the topic at hand. See red herring
I’m not deflecting, I’m doing the testing of a hypothesis.
Hypothesis: Europe is antagonizing Russia because it invaded a foreign independent nation
Counterexample: Europe keeps befriending Israel and the USA despite numerous cases of them invading foreign independent nations
Conclusion: the hypothesis doesn’t hold
Your argument doesn’t follow a valid syllogistic structure. You’re attempt to clarify still follows a red herring pattern.
The only way to counter the premise:
would be to show that Russia isn’t doing so. Russia IS doing so, so it is a correct argument. Any other argument you introduce is a red herring.