TBH, my initial reaction was pretty similar to yours. I mean even ignoring the asshole self-righteousness of immediately judging someone’s weight without knowing them as a person (and thus the challenges they may be dealing with), at that age most people are having too many health issues to justify being judgemental in that fashion. Particularly so when you consider that at the time this guy grew up we didn’t have the understanding we have today (let alone level of public education) regarding how the human body worked.
But given what this person choose to do to others, I also realized that such disrespect was well-earned. So, yeah - i went with the joke instead. I’m sorry that offended you because I agree with where you’re coming from, but in this particular case I’m not sorry for doing it as this guy was obviously an asshole in being so manipulative as to start an organization like this. IMHO he therefore disserves all the disrespect he’s gotten (and then some).
This just sends the message that the validity of marginalized identities is conditional on the folks with those identities aligning with your beliefs, which is a double standard. You don’t body shame someone in good shape because you disagree with their beliefs, you challenge and make fun of them on the basis of their beliefs.
Why should marginalized folks have to work any harder, on the basis of their identity alone, to earn equal standing with what you personally deem to be normal? This just gives away that you see these folks as “other” and only support them as far as they can personally benefit you.
And to be clear, I’m not just talking about fat people. Would you make dehumanizing jokes about Candace Owens or Clarence Thomas on the basis of their race? Why’s it acceptable, then, to attack queer conservatives on the basis of being queer, or this guy for being fat? Why degrade your allyship just to go for low hanging fruit? Don’t we want these things to become so normal that they cease to be questioned by even the most conservative parts of society?
Idk I’m kinda getting sick of this Lemmy bullshit, its not just you that’s making these jokes. I’m not gonna say I’m more principled than you… but aren’t we anti death penalty? I struggle to find where death > prison, skinny or fat. It might just be a personal preference that wanton death should be avoided, let him pay for his crimes with hard time. But I guess I’ve never been molested so maybe I should defer my opinion to someone that he molested. I know he is guilty unlike some death row inmates. I get we want to revolt so maybe I’m too weak to kill another person (lol its reminding me of Ruthlessness from Epic, where Odysseus spares the Cyclops and Poseidon wreaks havoc and tries to kill his crew - definitely not applicable but the theme of killing another to spare our lives is the vibe I get)
TBH, my initial reaction was pretty similar to yours. I mean even ignoring the asshole self-righteousness of immediately judging someone’s weight without knowing them as a person (and thus the challenges they may be dealing with), at that age most people are having too many health issues to justify being judgemental in that fashion. Particularly so when you consider that at the time this guy grew up we didn’t have the understanding we have today (let alone level of public education) regarding how the human body worked.
But given what this person choose to do to others, I also realized that such disrespect was well-earned. So, yeah - i went with the joke instead. I’m sorry that offended you because I agree with where you’re coming from, but in this particular case I’m not sorry for doing it as this guy was obviously an asshole in being so manipulative as to start an organization like this. IMHO he therefore disserves all the disrespect he’s gotten (and then some).
This just sends the message that the validity of marginalized identities is conditional on the folks with those identities aligning with your beliefs, which is a double standard. You don’t body shame someone in good shape because you disagree with their beliefs, you challenge and make fun of them on the basis of their beliefs.
Why should marginalized folks have to work any harder, on the basis of their identity alone, to earn equal standing with what you personally deem to be normal? This just gives away that you see these folks as “other” and only support them as far as they can personally benefit you.
And to be clear, I’m not just talking about fat people. Would you make dehumanizing jokes about Candace Owens or Clarence Thomas on the basis of their race? Why’s it acceptable, then, to attack queer conservatives on the basis of being queer, or this guy for being fat? Why degrade your allyship just to go for low hanging fruit? Don’t we want these things to become so normal that they cease to be questioned by even the most conservative parts of society?
Idk I’m kinda getting sick of this Lemmy bullshit, its not just you that’s making these jokes. I’m not gonna say I’m more principled than you… but aren’t we anti death penalty? I struggle to find where death > prison, skinny or fat. It might just be a personal preference that wanton death should be avoided, let him pay for his crimes with hard time. But I guess I’ve never been molested so maybe I should defer my opinion to someone that he molested. I know he is guilty unlike some death row inmates. I get we want to revolt so maybe I’m too weak to kill another person (lol its reminding me of Ruthlessness from Epic, where Odysseus spares the Cyclops and Poseidon wreaks havoc and tries to kill his crew - definitely not applicable but the theme of killing another to spare our lives is the vibe I get)
You went way off into the deep end.
No death penalty, the guy voluntarily refused to listen to the best practices during a pandemic.
That’s as close to a suicide as you can get. But in the dumbest most round-about way.
Which by itself would be sad. But he did his best to influence others to do the same.
So fuck him, his legacy and everything he stood for.
Not to mention you’re a .world and not even .ml it’s a surprising stance. Maybe be less tankie?
pick one bud.