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    • CosmoNova@lemmy.worldEnglish
      231·
      26 days ago

      And many world leaders will defend it because they know US bastards could do the same to them.

      • gnutrino@programming.devEnglish
        13·
        26 days ago

        Never mind Zelensky, if I were Taiwan’s president I’d be looking at the US creating a big naval distraction for itself at the same time as affirming that heads of state are fair game with more than a little trepidation…

      • AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        511·
        26 days ago

        Imperialism and general fuckery, no…but to my knowledge this is the first time the US has opened a conflict by just straight up taking the head of the foreign government.

        Unless, of course, you’ve got something that says different.

          • AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            211·
            26 days ago

            Noriega didn’t surrender until 2 weeks of conflict had passed.

            Again, has the US ever opened a conflict by kidnapping a head of state?

            • setsubyou@lemmy.worldEnglish
              22·
              26 days ago

              There’s also the US-backed coup in Hawaii where they put the queen under house arrest first thing.

                • baines@piefed.socialEnglish
                  11·
                  26 days ago

                  the only technicality was it wasn’t the ‘US government’ doing this, they just okayed it after

                  completely unrelated rogue gunboat guys, we promise

                • flandish@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  81·
                  26 days ago

                  i am. it’s manufactured consent at the minimum and a fucking act of war at the maximum. see what the us did in the gulf of tonkin for instance. the us does not care as it is a terrorist state.

                  i bet the new guy is … oddly friendly with oil corporations

                  • AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    1·
                    26 days ago

                    You’re conflating guilt or culpability with level of military involvement.

                    Did they result in equivalent loss of life? Damage to property? Commitment of forces on both sides?

                    One is a literal invasion. The other is missiles hitting fishing boats. Both are disgusting. Both are wrong.

                    But you cannot say that they are an equivalent level of military involvement.

                  • AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    3·
                    26 days ago

                    How?

                    One is strike operations on individual vessels operating in international waters and, while illegal and reprehensible, doesn’t even come close to being equivalent to an amphibious landing invasion of a nation utilizing all branches of the US military.

                    Are you even remotely serious?

            • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.worldEnglish
              11·
              26 days ago

              I suppose that depends on whether or not you consider the wars against the indigenous people here in North America actual wars.

    • deHaga@feddit.ukEnglish
      340·
      25 days ago

      Maduro took a deal, this wasn’t a kidnapping.

      The clue is Trump says he was captured, and he always lies.

      Edit. Someone got a deal lol

      • AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        33·
        26 days ago

        …okay.

        How about, instead of presupposing what he’s lying about and why, we try and actually find out the truth? Reality still does matter, y’know.

        • deHaga@feddit.ukEnglish
          133·
          25 days ago

          It’s all over the news, this was an agreed deal.

          Edit lol. Deal done.

              • awaysaway@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                17·
                26 days ago

                i’m surprised to see yall so convinced of the opposite but i understand if you just not wanting to sensationalise without data. is the US military really so infinitely far ahead that snatching a head of state is a guaranteed operation?

                i suppose i haven’t see any independent verification that they have maduro at all so could be a bluff

                • AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  151·
                  26 days ago

                  For me personally, it’s the statement of fact without sources. This is the era of AI and social disinformation. “Trust me, bro!” carries even less weight now than ever.

                  Don’t get me wrong, even though Venezuela doesn’t deserve US aggression, Maduro is still a shady conman and I wouldn’t put it past him to sell out his country.

                  But I won’t believe it just because someone said it was true.

                  • awaysaway@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                    4·
                    26 days ago

                    yeah agreed across the board there.

                    fwiw new information here re: vice president demanding proof of life

                    Interesting to see Spain’s response which acknowledges their position against Maduro whilst condemning the attack