• Hegar@fedia.io
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      6 hours ago

      Life, joy, friends, love, art, pleasure, dopamine, oxytocin, etc.

      Anything we’re doing now can still be done without the concept of free will, because we’re already doing it without free will.

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        5 hours ago

        Life, joy, friends, love, art, pleasure, dopamine, oxytocin, etc.

        I don’t get any of those things out of fighting the universe.

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          4 hours ago

          We all get those things regardless. The stories we tell ourselves about how the world works don’t affect how the world works.

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      7 hours ago

      Exactly the problem. It’s very easy to fall into doing nothing, and the question of whether that would be a problem if I actually still believed in free will, or at least didn’t actively disbelieve it, is a big one… that knowledge or belief is now part of my operating system, a core feature of who I am that impacts the choices I don’t think I actually get to make. One of the known variables that influences behavior.

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        5 hours ago

        I don’t think that “not fighting” is the same as doing nothing. Like I said, if somebody could truly understand this, there would be no reason to fight, not no reason to act. They would simply think and then act.

        I’ve heard a kind of enlightenment described this way. Some people have claimed to attain it. It may not be possible in a pure state, but perhaps you can get close to it by degrees.