I’ve seen alot of calls for violence in America. Whether it be directed at the president or Federal officers, many people are advocating for an escalation in response to the current situation.
And believe me, I do understand. what I see happening in America is horrifying. But all I am imploring is to really think about what your asking for. Because you can’t put the genie in the bottle once you’ve left it out.
If you’re really gung-ho about it, go and ask a Veteran of Iraq or Afghanistan about it and see what they think. If anyone will know about it they will.
I am going to link a YouTube Playlist. Its the Associated Press Archives of the Bosnian-Serbian war. Because THAT is what will happen if wide scale violence breaks out. Except what will happen in America will be a hundred times worse.
The Bosnian war was pretty much broken up along ethnic lines. “Well it’s going to be Conservative VS. Liberal” you say. Except it won’t be. It will be anyone having a grudge against someone going after them.
ALOT of personal animosity will be taken out in the first few weeks I feel.
And I think the Seige of Sarajavo will be writ large in American cities across the country. Imagine having to dodge sniper fire on your way to get to your job at Wendy’s.
Because that’s the other thing no one is thinking about. You are still going to have to make a living while this is all going to be happening. And the cost of everything will skyrocket. Shipping will probably have to be escorted from place to place because people will be stealing or even blockading locations because they’re “damn dirty libs” or “Fascist Conservatives” Fresh produce will become a thing of the past.
Canada and Mexico will close their borders due to all the refugee’s trying to cross. so if you thinking of doing it, do it the moment everything pops off because otherwise you won’t get in.
Basically Civil war is going to the worst thing to happen in America in a long time. and the only good that comes out of it will be Americans will finally have first hand experience of real war torn violence. And maybe that will hopefully last for another two hundred years or so.
If America even survives the outcome that is.
It very much seems like a setup to try and agitate the left into their own Jan 6th.
If the Dems don’t sweep midterms and get majority after the shitshow that’s been this administration, they just might get it.
Then it’ll be dismissed because of Jan 6th.
I’ve been using Sarajevo as an example for a while. People will be getting shot by snipers just for trying to find food or water.
Americans are sadly locked into the path of violence as the other path will force them to face their systemic racism, and corporate idolization which is clearly not going to happen.
It took Nicole Good to be face shot before people really started to react despite 4 other similar events with non white females and I am constantly shocked how many Americans defend corporations that are literally exploiting them. America is cooked unfortunately as like most humans, myself included, we tend to become blind with power.
Not American, so feel free to stop reading.
It’s ridiculous to me how you yanks go from zero to a hundred like this. Either normality or civil war. Like there is no in between? You have an authoritarianism problem. So resist authoritarianism. What makes you think that the only way to resist is shooting people? Resistance is a spectrum, and you have barely started using democratic means to fight back (you just started electing democratic socialists), much less active procedural and institutional warfare (is Bernie demanding a vote for every procedural point requiring a vote? Are the Dems actually using any rat fucking tactic to make the state ungovernable? Are your local and state governments really resisting beyond making angry noises?). You have barely tried non violent resistance (not the same as peaceful!) but you’re such a violent culture that you jump straight to military solutions. Wtf. Those come at the very end, if everything else has failed. Has it? Nowhere near. So this talk about civil war, is that really useful?
The problem is that the steps between zero and a hundred are incremental rights which take decades to establish. If you are a non-American then you might have those steps already established, but currently the US does not. So once the status quo passes beyond the acceptable parameters the only possible solution is violence.
Another user I spoke with asked about collective rebellion, union strikes, and general resistance, but these don’t work if the infrastructure isn’t already in place. You can’t start a strike if you don’t have a union and your co-workers don’t agree, you can’t take up arms without at least a state level rebellion, most protests are effectively meaningless, and unless you are willing to give up everything (job, family, and well being) then you’ll never amount a significant resistance.
For the most part people want to live their lives with the least amount of fucking up they can. So long as the republican’s don’t fuck up their shit too much they will keep their heads down and vote in the elections.
Democrats and states both follow the same rules. They will try to counter the Republicans, but if that means a government shutdown with old people and the poor going without assistance then they are willing to cave. So far we aren’t at the point where any US group is willing to make real sacrifice to make a change, such as a fighting, going without, or causing their family to suffer.
You’re absolutely right. Generations jave been indoctrinated to give up autonomy and control to the system. People have been socially and economically backed into a corner where they don’t feel like they can make any real change in their lives.
They know transcending class barriers is impossible (though they lie to themselves about it) and they don’t really believe that politics make a difference. People don’t vote. They scrabble at shit jobs and go into debt to feel richer.
Violence is the one form of power they’re truly clinging to. A gun is a surrogate for control. It’s power you can exert in your narrow sphere.
Most of this perception is wrong, but it’s a part of the culture. The idea that the only way this can get fixed is violent civil war is a game of chicken with the ruling class and they’re betting that people won’t actually rise up.
Americans can not comprehend a gunless solution without pizza in the end
YSK: The average citizen doesn’t have much control over the cork in the bottle.
This administration is repeatedly and consistently provoking people. Randomly shooting people in the face, and talking about sending the military to Minnesota is going to cause things to boil over if the other people we elected don’t step in and force them to cool down.
Everybody know it not a game but st some point there is no othet options and fight oppresion
Most of the voices calling for v10l3nt r3v01ut10n in the states are Russian bots or MAGA provocateurs.
… Americans don’t realize they’re already in a civil war? Bro a city is occupied. Secret police roam freely. Tens of thousands disappeared.
That isn’t a civil war. That is an autocracy. If the people across the state were coming in a militia to take over that would be a civil war.
Where do you think the ICE agents are drawn from, buddy? Downtown St. Paul? Pedantic.
That isn’t a civil war though. It isn’t “pedantic” you just don’t know the definition of a civil war.
The definition you are talking about can’t happen anymore.
You can’t have a states vs states civil because it’s house vs house now. This is the modern world it isn’t like the past. This isn’t “farms in the south have slaves so we fight the south.”
It’ll be more “I always hated Paul from next doors view on immigration and now the day we go kill him” except every house. Nationwide.
So I get what your saying but I feel it’s you who should reconsider definitions
Webster is my favorite
Pedantic: disapproving relating to, or being a pendant (as in being overly concerned with minor details) overly scholarly.
Edit I should add I doo agree with you this is currently not that yet, but it won’t look like what you are describing either
It doesn’t mean your stupid it means the detail your hung up on is minor one and it’s not in the definition of a civil war: a war between opposing groups of citizens of the same country. It says nothing about regions or travel. It brother fighting brother. That’s a civil war.
I should add that I do agree with you this is currently not a civil war. It’s state employees vs citizens. But if a civil war comes it won’t be California marching into Texas. People will be attacking their neighbors.
The only true segregation is wealth based, the last civil war had astoundingly clearly delineated lines and you still had brother killing brother. Modern war isn’t like that. It’s city by city with things totally calm 30 miles over. Moving like a cloud of death from community to community. Old grudges, family issues, bad neighbors, bad bosses, anything will get you killed.
Not a world i want to be in, no guarantee what this place looks like after, there isn’t a good guys win scenario, we’re in an oligarchy. Maybe it’s that shit Marx talked about, but i bet it’s Gilead.
Robert Evan’s has a great podcast about what a civil war might look like that he wrote before trump even got elected the first time I think. And boy does it hold up still.
Things he says like “the crumbles”
And how he talks about “ but today… you’ve got shit to do” talking about things just crumbling around you but you still got to go to the grocery store before the line forms. Or how “you’re alarmed you recognize how far away a mortar hit from now, and you know that one wasn’t a threat, then the second one hits to kill the survivors.
It’s not all read in the second person only intro but the rests goes on about how other countries experience civil wars and compares it .
Anyway it’s really good and quite terrifying.
Person calling someone else a pendant breaks out the dictionary definition of “pedantic” as the opening salvo of a multi paragraph hair splitting rant. This is the internet I signed up for.
You forgot the part where I specifically say I have a favorite dictionary and my multiple grammar mistakes. Lol
They are moving 1500 soldiers to Minneapolis to quell the “violence” which is basically people marching with signs and blocking traffic.
Ice agents are threatening to murder people and telling them they should have learned to be meek so they don’t get murdered like Goode
I’ve yet to see a major media outlet call it what it is.
It’s sheer cowardice at this point. The president himself has called it war.
There’s no armed fighting back, so it’s not a civil war it’s purging.
It may not have actually escalated into shooting yet, but the armed defense is certainly beginning.
Have a non Instagram link?
Which city? I’ve been keeping an eye on her news and I still feel like I miss shit
Chicago. LA. Minneapolis. And more, but those are currently the most egregious.
One thing you saw in places like Syria and the Balkans was a lot of revenge murders and groups that were essentially gangs terrorizing and enslaving towns.
I remember reading how people in the old Yugoslavia talked about how people they’d lived next to for generations suddenly turned on them. The same in Rwanda where groups were slaughtered en masse. People were packed into churches and the buildings set on fire, etc.
I’m not really expecting a “civil war” for the many reasons stated by others.
I’m more expecting total societal collapse combined with extremely violent capitalist repression - largely due to the ongoing destruction of the planet. Basically a continuation of what’s been happening for centuries.
We’re in a civil war right now. This is what it looks like.
But it can get a lot worse.
I’ve called this out too, and somebody called my comment “gamerslop bullshit” just because I had one sentence that pointed out that real war isn’t like call of duty.
The person who commented that didn’t realize the irony that the “gamerslop bullshit” implicit in the warmongering/romanticization of violence is precisely what I was calling out.
People these days will accuse you of anything you criticize them for. Like, you pointed it out so clearly you’re the one doing it. It’s so illogical.
People in the US have been protected from the reality of war since the civil war in the 1860s. Even vets (a very small minority) of real wars get to come home at the end of it. The reality would be more like Vietnam or Syria were the war is your home and there is no escape. It is like the war against vaccines, people have forgotten the reality of life with those diseases and take the return of them very lightly.
Yeah, someone who’s witnessed the devastation of war might say “You don’t want that, you really don’t understand what you’re calling for” and someone who’s never seen combat outside of video games and movies would say something like “You might be a coward, but I’m not.”
Like, dude, until those first bullets fly over your head, you don’t know how you’re going to react. When you’re getting shelled, and explosions are happening so close the shock wave alone can give you a concussion, when fighter jets and bombers fly overhead and all you can do is wonder whether you’ll still be alive and intact five minutes from now, when communications and supply chains break down, food is scarce, clean water hard to come by, when the power grid goes down and you have to weather extreme temperatures in the summer and winter, when chaos reigns and you have to wonder every time you see a person whether they’re gonna try to kill you, when you have to ration supplies so you don’t run out, and have to avoid patrols of armored vehicles and evade detection 24/7 or risk getting bombed by drones, and when there’s no end in sight but the slog goes on and on and on, night and day, without relenting, and you have to wonder how much longer you’ll have to go on like this, how much longer you can go on like this, when every day when the sun rises you don’t know if you’ll be alive to see it set, and every night when the sun sets you don’t know if you’ll be alive to see it rise, if you’ve been through all that hell on earth and haven’t shit your pants, and still think it’s a worthwhile tradeoff to avoid having to vote for an imperfect candidate, then sure, maybe you have room to talk.
In real war, you can’t power down when you’re done playing. And if you have people you care about, then multiply hell by a thousand, because chances are you won’t be able to keep in contact and you’ll have to wonder every minute of every day whether they’re having it any better or worse than you are, while you’re utterly helpless to protect them because all you can do is fight to keep yourself alive another day.
Nobody is calling out for civil war. If it start it is because of Ice . People have the right to self defence when they got attacked by those thugs. The same eyewitness who say he didn’t want a war would tell you that he do not regret fighting against oppression
Yeah, some people definitely are, especially on the internet.
Sure, people have a right to stand their ground. That right might not be recognized by the legal system, but some rights go beyond the ability of mortal men to give or take away.
That doesn’t change the fact that if they outnumber you, then you might (if you’re both skilled and lucky) take one out with you before the rest of them blast you.
If they’re going to blast you anyway then you have nothing to lose, but for most people it seems like the best possible outcome would be to avoid escalating as much as possible.
Ice is like the gestspo though
And do you know what it took to stop the Gestapo?
I’ll give you a hint, it was more than just a ragtag group of German rebels with guns refusing to comply.
There was people in germany who fought the gestapo, they didn’t wait to be saved by the allies thst wouldn’t helped them if Hitler didn’t declare war on them
Nobody is calling out for civil war.
Yes, some are. I have seen it a few times online, but people tend ti talk big on the internet. What really scared me was when I heard it in person.
I live in a pretty conservative area and I was at a bar the day after Charlie Kirk was assassinated and some woman said, and I quote, “The liberals don’t realize that this means war. They’re not ready, but I am. Send me to the frontlines!” Her friend asked, “You mean you want a civil war?” And she answered, “Yes. They fired the first shot. It’s on now.”
“They fired the first shot”
*Looks at Vance Boelter
I doubt an unhinged conservative even knows who that is.
Because it was glossed over in conservative and mainstream media. They acted all shocked about Charlie Kirk, but they had never even heard of Melissa Hortman. Even the ones who knew of the incident pretended it didn’t exist.
They’re not in touch with reality.
Even worse would be the terror groups like in Syria and Vietnam where they come into a town after the enemy has left and slaughter anyone they think did or could collaborate. They would also take all the food they could leaving populations to starve.
And yet anarchists believe they hold the keys to a utopian future…
“Just read theory, you just don’t understand. Humans will take care of each other, just trust me.”
A real civil war wouldn’t last longer than three weeks here in the US. A small group of whacked-out people love the idea of it, but they certainly have not thought it through. It’s just a fun thought for them because they have never cracked open a history book and don’t have any real perspective regarding what war actually means.
This is the country that couldn’t go three weeks without a haircut or toilet paper in 2020. People would walk into their first empty grocery store, toting their big impressive AR-15 rifles, and then demand that the war be ended.
See also:
Syria, for roughly the last decade.
Great post.
However, from a European perspective all this has been a long time coming, ignoring all warnings and with open arms (pun not intended).
So for the US I don’t see how it can be fixed without going through this.
I’m sorry.
As another European, I don’t think it’s as bad as it seems. I personally don’t think most republicans are fundamentally fascist, more so convinced that Trump is playing 5d chess.
If you where to ask most Republicans if they supported democracy, right of law and freedom for all, they would say that they support it.
However, due to the tribalism of current American politics and the cult of personality around Trump, they aren’t seeing how that is being infringed.
Trump is almost 80, and will die eventually. With him will his cult of personality die. Some hardliners will probably latch on to Trump Jr or Vance, but most republicans will probably quietly switch over to supporting some more moderate dumb fuck (think Mitt Romney).
Around 84% of Republicans approve of what is clearly kidnapping murder and open fascism as we are threatening half the world, planning on invading a NATO country, and stealing oil from Venezuela. Conservatives are absolutely our enemy.
It deosnt matter if trump dies, the Republican party has pretty mich made up their mind that there won’t be an election in the future.
They don’t care about public opinion anymore judging by everything they did in 2025 and all the rich oligarchs in america are either part of their club or are pressured to comply.
And with the epstine files pretty much out now the higher ranking Republicans are too scared to five up their power with the possibility of them getting prosecuted afterwards.
Even without Trump, the only way to get rid of the fascists will be to forcefully remove them which will end in a civil war.
Hard disagree. The Republican politicians are not leading the masses to dark places, the masses are pulling the politicians to greater extremes and the politicians are holding them back, because they have a greater understanding of the consequences than the average voter.
Ask the average Republican if undocumented I’m immigrants should all be deported, and they will tell you yes. That’s 14 million people, and the only way to accomplish it is to build up ICE to 5 times it’s current size, and do what they are doing in Minneapolis in every city in America. What they want requires fascism.
Ask them if abortion is murder and they will say yes. They don’t care about the women that are dying from pregnancy complications, the children that will be orphaned, the families that have been torn apart because the treatment for many conditions is abortion of the pregnancy and if it’s murder you can get treatment.
Ask them if environmental regulations are too stiff and should be rolled back so the economy can grow, and they will say yes, they don’t care about the ecosystems that will be lost forever, the diseases that people will suffer from pollution, or the rights of communities to avoid those harms.
What holds them back is that individuals don’t all want the same things, so the party pulls in different directions, because some people understand the disaterous implications of a specific policy, so they don’t support that particular cruelty, but they don’t question the wider ideology, and the basic ideology is a death cult.
What you get over time is generational frustration that the corrupt politicians refuse to do what is necessary and support for more and more extreme individuals in office. People that hatch plans like the federalist society, to corrupt the courts, and project 2025, to destroy the administrative state and consolidate power into the executive, and congresspeople who will support the descent into violent fascism, because that’s what is required to give the masses what they demand.
Democracy slows down the process, but the American voters will get the cruelty, suffering, and death they demand eventually.
Right, but that all comes from upstream, with Conservative media (and politicians) focusing all their attention on “wedge issues” to distract their base from their ruinous fiscal policies, gutting the government services their base would benefit from to steal more wealth for the ultra wealthy.
Vance will be worse; in general the removal of Trump won’t make it better.
I dont have any words to add and hope you’re right.
