Sad this got downvoted. The engagement was really good.
No one wins.
The only winning move is not to play.
By some standards WWIII is already in progress. And no, America isn’t winning. Its power and influence are contracting rapidly.
Caused by ITSELF
All loses the USA is taking are all fucking own goals.
The USA is the equivalent of starting the game up 100-0 (due to WW2) and then proceeding to just unload 30 meter bangers into its own goal…
Arguably caused by psyops and political capture by China and Russia but. Technically caused by US citizens, albeit traitors.
Wouldn’t be the first time in history that a major power started a war and then promptly proceeded to decisively lose it.
I agree that it’s already started.
I don’t know about America losing. We have a wacko in charge that would rather nuke the world than admit defeat.
I’d consider that a “lose” condition.
It’s possible for everyone to lose a war.
Fair point.
Tell me more about how you don’t understand war at all. Nobody wins.
The only winners will be the people selling the guns.
So America?
Probably Switzerland.
Some people think it goes to nukes immediately. I don’t think so. It will stay sidelined like chemical weapons that were used in WW1 but avoided and unused in WW2.
The US does not have the industrial capability that it once had and has struggled with manufacturing of electronic components. Now maybe that can be changed, but maybe not fast enough to matter. But as far as current capability they got combat experience and are the only nation that has proven ability to project military power worldwide. As long as logistics keep up they can kick serious ass.
China makes a ton of stuff already, and that would make a hell of a wartime production rate that can scale too. Their military is untested, but large, new and growing. They are the gorilla in the room. Hell they might think Russia is the easier fish to fry and take them on first.
But there’s also the chance of everything falling apart where most nations desintigrate into a long term state of fracture with infighting and homeland problems overriding any possibility of winning a global fight, and therefore preventing a large world war like we’ve seen in the past. Rand calls it neomedievalism
What would its goals be? Realistically, the US was probably bound for conflict with China and Russia before Trump. Now, Trump is creating a scenario where the US will have conflict with its allies and China. This is Russia’s doing.
Militarily, Russia has shown itself to be weak. The US could easily crush Russia in a conventional conflict if it wanted too, but there would be a risk of nukes popping off. Thats why Biden’s strategy was to let it bleed out in Ukraine and hope Putin got toppled internally in the fallout.
Trump creating conflict with US allies creates a scenario where they must work with China. It’s uncertain how that will go, but if the US invades another country, it will likely encounter a prolonged guerrilla conflict and be bogged down there like Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, and Iraq. China will help the other side make it as painful as possible.
Also, this conflict is unlikely to be popular in the US and rather than pulling together like in WWII, Americans will scatter or resist. At least half the country wouldn’t support the war and with the US being the aggressor there is a real chance bombs could fall on US soil. People will flee. Americans will become refugees.
Americans are already fleeing as political refugees, regardless of whether or not asylum is involved. I did it on a work permit but the mental and physical stresses are all there (I’m tired boss)
Which America are you referring to? North, meso, or south?
In case you are referring to the United States of, they are losing allies and partners fast. They would have to fight wars on many fronts and that never ends well.
Furthermore, they are moving towards a civil war, so one of their fronts will be on their own soil.
Their arrogance and entitlement will prolong the war, but in the end, they’ll lose.
They haven’t won a major armed conflict decisively, since WW2.
And that was as part of a team, which they are actively moving to isolate from now.
The Korean and Vietnam Wars were constrained by not trying to turn the Cold War hot. Also, Vietnam was as much about nation-building as it was fighting an enemy.
The invasion of Grenada met all military objectives.
The Gulf War was such a success that it changed war doctrine for those choosing to fight the USA after.
The USA intervention into Somalia fell apart as the government the USA supported collapsed.
The USA intervention into Yugoslavia got Serbia to withdrawal troops from Kosovo.
The Afghanistan War successfully toppled the previous Taliban government, the USA just couldn’t build a new government to replace the existing one.
The USA toppled Saddam Hussein rather quickly after the Iraq War; the current government is wildly different in form from the old one.
The USA successfully kidnapped the Venezuelan President.
Most of the USA’s war losses were due to attempts to nation-build. If the USA chooses not to nation-build, it can launch major military attacks to disable opponents. In those fights, the USA dominates.
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As an American, I hope not.
I’d get the Japanese American treatment. 👀
(I’m Chinese American)
So it depends on what you mean by “America”…
The constitution? Nah, its definitely dead and buried in a ww3 scenario.
Rich cis-het white conservative christian men? Yea they’d win, if you count living in a bunker¹ with trigger happy soldiers/security ready to overthrow them as a “win”; I bet the entire bunker will go into psychological breakdown after no outside + sunlight for a year.
¹Cuz Nukes went 💥🌇
America is unable to function by itself and is on tour to implode. How are they going to win a war, no one in the country is willing to put up a real fight either.
It is the most divided political landscape on the planet right now, on the brink of a potentional civil war, which is the only fight they will do if they decide to grow a spine.
Nobody wins. Someone just gets control of the official narrative.
But who’s the “you” you’re asking here?
Who are the allies of each side?
Only if the opening move would be to unload its entire nuclear arsenal in every direction. And then they “win” a big charred ball of ash.
