Perhaps this is already implemented on one of the Lemmy variants?
New features :
- auto closing/suspending stale communities
- stale could be defined as unanswered mod reports, no mod activity (no post, comment, login in x time period), no posts
- staggered new account permissions:
- wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
- allow community users to flag posts or comments as NSFW.
- Voting changes from up, down to up, down or NSFW.)
Curious what people think about this?
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I prefer trying to revive dead communities. See if anybody want to be in charge of onr of those dead communities
auto closing/suspending stale communities stale could be defined as unanswered mod reports, no mod activity (no post, comment, login in x time period), no posts
No. I’ve seen several times people ask the admins if they could take over a community. And it happened. Thus reviving dead communities.
staggered new account permissions: wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
Why?
allow community users to flag posts or comments as NSFW.
This one I like.
Voting changes from up, down to up, down or NSFW.
That’s not how it should be done though. The same menu that you pull out that lets you report things to a mod, instead of reporting to mod, it should let you report as NSFW. If a mod approves the request, it then becomes labeled as NSFW.
Kind of useless probably, at least in the present state of Lemmy. We’re not particularly overrun by new users. That would be a good problem to have.
How does staggered new account permissions help deter bad actors in any way whatsoever? There’s nothing preventing them from having a pipeline of accounts in aging.
Each comment questioning this assume trolls are from all well funder st petersburg troll farms, I’d wager quite a few may be reactionary basement neckbeards who wouldn’t post the same stuff a day later.
It does not take any funding to create accounts a few days in advance. Automating account creation is probably the most basic step in any troll’s toolbox.
reactionary basement neckbeards who wouldn’t post the same stuff a day later.
Trolls who give up after a day aren’t trolls, they’re users having a bad day. And if they’re stopping after a day, their impact on everybody else is miniscule.
On the OTHER hand, as everybody has pointed out, you’re badly impacting the new user experience. Bullshit posting restrictions on reddit are one of the worst things they came up with. Let’s not replicate all the user hostile stuff they implemented.
Ok, let’s take this a notch further then.
These are not just users having a bad day. In some cases these are repeat offenders or agitators who have been banned but want to come back.
There’s already a higher barrier to entry on a lot of instances. Back when I made this account, I had to apply for it, and it had to be manually approved.
On my OTHER hand, there is IMHO a problem with overactive mods on the larger communities. I’m seeing the same mods modding several 1k+ subscriber communities with very high activity, and they are supper trigger happy with permabans. Permabans without warning, without prior tempban, straight up permaban. This will drive a bunch of people mad and drive them to create new accounts on a different instance just to bypass the ban.
This in turn is causing inflation in the new signups too.
But a delay in being able to comment / post for new users would prevent ban-evasion, but equally, I would much prefer that mods can’t be getting such batshit workloads as volunteers making them more likely to be compassionate and not instantly go for nuclear options at the slightest sign of trouble.
It’s not straightforward of course, but I do appreciate the discourse we’re having here.
It obviously wouldn’t stop all of them, but it would stop some. Some people aren’t that invested.
However, it would also stop a lot of new users.
auto closing/suspending stale communities
Define “stale” commmunities.
wait 24h before commenting, wait 7 days before posting.
This would not help interacting levels at all.
My proposed definition of stale is in the OP
Instead of closing stale communities, I’d like to see a more federated versions of what Reddit does:
- a community goes stale
- this can be further supported by modmail sent to mods requesting immediate active moderation within X days, if that doesn’t happen, then consider it stale
- all accounts that signed up to the community are notified about it being stale and requesting moderators to apply
- any account that has interacted with the community in X time (say, the last year or 6 months) can then apply to be a moderator
- a, say, 30 or 60 day period follows allowing moderator applications and community member votes (not just signed up members but accounts that interacted with the community in Y time, this can be larger than the previous moderator application timeframe requirement). Only those whose first interaction with the community was before the stale announcement are allowed to vote.
- at the end of the period, the new moderator team is picked by automation based on the votes and total number of applicants.
- if necessary, the instance owner(s) can also step in to provide assistance in assigning moderators
This sounds like a much better approach.
Love it
- a community goes stale
deleted by creator
A new user might come along and post something that revives interest in it. What Lemmy needs are more users to increase activity.
New users are unlikely to be interested in immediately committing to creating and/or maintaining a community with regular posts and moderation over a long period of time, but might be willing to contribute to existing communities. Better to have dormant communities that can be revived than to have a lack of topics for new users to contribute to.
- Bad. Don’t even need to comment on this one.
- Non-conductive: spammers can just wait it out, whereas real users get demotivated.
- Dangerous: can be used for remotely censoring queer stuff.
Ummm, Nested Communities ?
You mean cross instance merged supercommunities (like all the dataisbeautiful communities under sc/dataisbeautiful?
Maybe more like /videocards comprising /Amdcards /intelcards?
Like multireddits then, yeah that would be nice.
Yeah, or like spaces in matrix
What is the point of “staggered new account permissions”?
At most we should be Autofolding/hiding unpopular comments.
This stuff? https://lemmy.world/u/FYLD_Proofchain
I think the issue is putting barriers to legit users even if it prevents some spam will keep us small.
What’s keeping us small (no proof just opinion) is the petty inter instance infighting and the lack of accessible fediverse education for social media adhd minds.
Also we’re growing, but given the times we’re in and how massive a piece of shit u/spez is, one would hope it grew faster.
My response is positive to all the first two ideas, but I’ve seen no need for NSFW voting.
Looks like stale communities are already closed and deleted, at least here on lemmy.world. Popped into a community I ran but set to “no new posts” a few years ago, and all the old posts are gone. Which is OK by me.
