This is why there shouldn’t be capital punishment.
The tradeoff people make who support the death penalty which is unspoken is: “it’s worth killing a few innocent people as long as we kill the guilty too.” And it’s so fucked up. My parents hear me explain this and literally have no reaction. They cannot even engage with the idea that innocent people being murdered by the state is a horror that cannot be accepted. It’s just the cost of “justice” for them, apparently.
That’s such a weird thing to say, as well, because when innocent people are being killed by the state there is no justice. I often wonder if people even think about what they’re saying, or if they’re just regurgitating shit they heard somewhere.
The cost of justice is… injustice? Make it make sense.
What they’re really saying is they think any injustice there (which they refuse to think about) is worth it. They probably rationalize it by saying to themselves that innocent people being executed is a super rare thing. But it’s not. I’d guess it’s as high as 30%. But that’s admittedly a total guess.
In the end though, to support the death penalty, you have to intentionally refuse to think “what if the courts were wrong?”
You’re right. But it seems worse than that somehow. I’ve seen many people say they support the death penalty because it keeps other people safe, to “remove” murderers from society and such. But it’s so disingenuous.
We can already remove dangers from our society, in less… final ways. We can lock them up, or have them admitted to institutions in cases of mental health issues. We can rehabilitate them whenever possible, which also removes the danger.
But no, that’s not good enough. These people think they absolutely have to die. They want other people to be murdered by the state. They want it so much that they are willing to sacrifice a bunch of innocent people to satisfy their own bloodlust.
It’s worse than ignoring it, it’s actively seeking it out for their murderous desires.
I totally agree. If there was a way we could be absolutely certain of guilt, I would support it in some limited cases. But that’s absolutely impossible. There’s always planting evidence, etc. So it is indefensible.
When an innocent person is killed, even if you mistakenly thought they really really deserved it, that’s murder. What do we do with murderers? We kill them. But if one supports a system that murders, they become party to that murder. I’m not keen on being a part of a murder system, no matter how occasional.
Alternatively, to appeal to the selfish, if one is willing to allow a few innocents to die for a broken system to function, they they’d better be okay with being one of those innocents.
Either way, I don’t trust the state to decide who lives and dies.
Honestly there are so fucking many reasons against it. I can respect it as a penalty in international law, but for criminal law it’s nuts. It’s obviously cruel and unusual punishment (as is solitary). It gets overturned post mortem regularly. Increasingly they’re just killing people despite reasonable doubt being found. It’s a stain on our collective souls. It’s wildly expensive. And it’s ineffective as a deterrent.
This is why there shouldn’t be capital punishment.
The tradeoff people make who support the death penalty which is unspoken is: “it’s worth killing a few innocent people as long as we kill the guilty too.” And it’s so fucked up. My parents hear me explain this and literally have no reaction. They cannot even engage with the idea that innocent people being murdered by the state is a horror that cannot be accepted. It’s just the cost of “justice” for them, apparently.
That’s such a weird thing to say, as well, because when innocent people are being killed by the state there is no justice. I often wonder if people even think about what they’re saying, or if they’re just regurgitating shit they heard somewhere.
The cost of justice is… injustice? Make it make sense.
You’d be surprised how many people I’ve talked to who think that if someone was picked up by the cops they were doing something to deserve it.
It’s staggering how many people blame the victim for the police being incompetent.
Ah, the “if you’ve done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear”-people. They’re a fun bunch indeed.
What they’re really saying is they think any injustice there (which they refuse to think about) is worth it. They probably rationalize it by saying to themselves that innocent people being executed is a super rare thing. But it’s not. I’d guess it’s as high as 30%. But that’s admittedly a total guess.
In the end though, to support the death penalty, you have to intentionally refuse to think “what if the courts were wrong?”
You’re right. But it seems worse than that somehow. I’ve seen many people say they support the death penalty because it keeps other people safe, to “remove” murderers from society and such. But it’s so disingenuous.
We can already remove dangers from our society, in less… final ways. We can lock them up, or have them admitted to institutions in cases of mental health issues. We can rehabilitate them whenever possible, which also removes the danger.
But no, that’s not good enough. These people think they absolutely have to die. They want other people to be murdered by the state. They want it so much that they are willing to sacrifice a bunch of innocent people to satisfy their own bloodlust.
It’s worse than ignoring it, it’s actively seeking it out for their murderous desires.
I totally agree. If there was a way we could be absolutely certain of guilt, I would support it in some limited cases. But that’s absolutely impossible. There’s always planting evidence, etc. So it is indefensible.
You are absolutely right!
When an innocent person is killed, even if you mistakenly thought they really really deserved it, that’s murder. What do we do with murderers? We kill them. But if one supports a system that murders, they become party to that murder. I’m not keen on being a part of a murder system, no matter how occasional.
Alternatively, to appeal to the selfish, if one is willing to allow a few innocents to die for a broken system to function, they they’d better be okay with being one of those innocents.
Either way, I don’t trust the state to decide who lives and dies.
Honestly there are so fucking many reasons against it. I can respect it as a penalty in international law, but for criminal law it’s nuts. It’s obviously cruel and unusual punishment (as is solitary). It gets overturned post mortem regularly. Increasingly they’re just killing people despite reasonable doubt being found. It’s a stain on our collective souls. It’s wildly expensive. And it’s ineffective as a deterrent.