As a libreworlf user, I’d have to advise some caution to regular users. A lot of sites are broken as images won’t load and “fancier” web apps don’t work super well either. Yes it’s an easy fix, but expecting someone to go look in the config files to get an image to load is too much for a lot of people
Thanks to @acockworkorange@mander.xyz for the context below.
The settings that Mozilla packaged in were the main big ones, Claude, ChatGPT etc, it didn’t look like any of them were locally hosted or even if a locally hosted model could be chose. Local AI… where the model itself and all the token are processed on either your own machine or another machine controlled by you certainly isn’t violating privacy, but as I said the choices on offer were none of these.
LibreWolf by default gets rid of anything that seeks to abuse your right to privacy, you won’t even find Google or Bing in your search engine. Naturally this will also apply to AI providers. Unfortunately, at the moment, we can’t trust Mozilla and by extension with AI items so these things were removed. That doesn’t mean you can’t install third party AI extensions.
Also you can host your own search engine for even more privacy.
The settings that Mozilla packaged in were the main big ones, Claude, ChatGPT etc, it didn’t look like any of them were locally hosted or even if a locally hosted model could be chose. Local AI… where the model itself and all the token are processed on either your own machine or another machine controlled by you certainly isn’t violating privacy, but as I said the choices on offer were none of these.
LibreWolf by default gets rid of anything that seeks to abuse your right to privacy, you won’t even find Google or Bing in your search engine. Naturally this will also apply to AI providers. Unfortunately, at the moment, we can’t trust Mozilla and by extension with AI items so these things were removed. That doesn’t mean you can’t install third party AI extensions.
I’d recommend switching to something like Bitwarden for your passwords so you can take them with you and also switch your stuff around if you ever want to
I’ve been using Librewolf for some months now. You can migrate your Firefox profile into Librewolf, that’s what I did and it retained my passwords. I’m not very tech savvy but it does have some kinks, my browser clock is off I’ve tried tinkering with it but gave up. And especially with the Resist Fingerprinting enabled it seems to not retain my 2 factor id for sites when I ask it to remember me.
your clock is off because you have resistfingerprinting turned on, so it puts you into utc+0 to prevent tracking.
and you have to explicitly allow to save cookies for specific domains to not get logged out (check out the padlock icon in the status bar, there’s an option to keep data for the domain you’re on)
Your browser clock is not off. LibreWolf, Tor Browser, Mullvad Browser etc. set your browser’s reported timezone to GMT to not reveal which timezone you’re actually in.
And I don’t understand what you’re talking about in the last sentence.
Whats confusing about it? People took something that was going bad and made it good again. Thats the benefit of open source. Even if Mozilla goes closed source the already existing forks can continue
Even if Mozilla goes closed source the already existing forks can continue
Theoretically yes, practically no. Maintaining a secure modern web engine that’s up to date with - and a part of - setting web standards is something that costs tens of millions per year. Sometimes this even spills into the hundreds of millions.
Random fork projects don’t have the resources to do that.
I switched from Firefox to Librewolf about a month ago and it’s been wonderful. I can’t imagine what it would take for me to switch back to Firefox. I’ll probably ride Librewolf until the project dies or gets corrupted.
Just use Librewolf
What about mobile?
As a libreworlf user, I’d have to advise some caution to regular users. A lot of sites are broken as images won’t load and “fancier” web apps don’t work super well either. Yes it’s an easy fix, but expecting someone to go look in the config files to get an image to load is too much for a lot of people
I haven’t experienced this behavior. Can you provide a URL for me to test against.
Same. No issues at all.
Open netflix. Even with a lot of features turned off and DRM enabled, it will regularly fail to load any content.
And, yes, the general user will want sites like netflix to work.
Weird, app.plex.tv, emby client, jellyfin client, netflix.com, and prime video at https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/ are all currently working for me. Can you share your LibreWolf config? Maybe I can help you fix it.
That’s why I recommend Waterfox instead to non technical users
For those interested
https://librewolf.net/installation/
https://codeberg.org/librewolf/issues/issues/1919
Thanks to @acockworkorange@mander.xyz for the context below.
Also you can host your own search engine for even more privacy.
https://docs.searxng.org/index.html
The relevant bit from the second link:
Thanks for taking the time I didn’t initially have to provide context.
Also if privacy is more of a goal you can self host a search engine with searxng
https://docs.searxng.org/index.html
I know I’ll get flak for this, but I am sticking with FireFox, because it saves my passwords.
I’d recommend switching to something like Bitwarden for your passwords so you can take them with you and also switch your stuff around if you ever want to
You CAN export them. I migrated to Ff from Chrome a while back.
I’ve been using Librewolf for some months now. You can migrate your Firefox profile into Librewolf, that’s what I did and it retained my passwords. I’m not very tech savvy but it does have some kinks, my browser clock is off I’ve tried tinkering with it but gave up. And especially with the Resist Fingerprinting enabled it seems to not retain my 2 factor id for sites when I ask it to remember me.
your clock is off because you have resistfingerprinting turned on, so it puts you into utc+0 to prevent tracking.
and you have to explicitly allow to save cookies for specific domains to not get logged out (check out the padlock icon in the status bar, there’s an option to keep data for the domain you’re on)
The clock is part of their fingerprinting resistance strategy. It doesn’t provide correct timezone info to sites.
Your browser clock is not off. LibreWolf, Tor Browser, Mullvad Browser etc. set your browser’s reported timezone to GMT to not reveal which timezone you’re actually in.
And I don’t understand what you’re talking about in the last sentence.
Sounds like a cookie isn’t being saved, so they have to enter their 2fa every time instead of having the site trust the browser
I’m going to save your comment and install it on my Linux machine when I get home.
So can librewolf… its got settings!
You can still use firefox sync as well
Well yeah, Librewolf is basically nothing but settings.
Firefox settings.
Confuses me no end when people rage against Mozilla and then recommend a product that cannot exist without Mozilla.
A software has roughly three parts: core functionality, UI, default settings. Zen does the UI part and default settings different.
Whats confusing about it? People took something that was going bad and made it good again. Thats the benefit of open source. Even if Mozilla goes closed source the already existing forks can continue
Theoretically yes, practically no. Maintaining a secure modern web engine that’s up to date with - and a part of - setting web standards is something that costs tens of millions per year. Sometimes this even spills into the hundreds of millions.
Random fork projects don’t have the resources to do that.
Try waterfox maybe?
Waterfox are you talkin’ about? Am I right?!?!?!?! lol
Waterfox? Fennec-about-it!
I switched from Firefox to Librewolf about a month ago and it’s been wonderful. I can’t imagine what it would take for me to switch back to Firefox. I’ll probably ride Librewolf until the project dies or gets corrupted.
I think even with Librewolf you need to open the about:config page and disable browser.ml settings.
afaik is that fixed by now - the team strongly opposes ai and stated that they want to keep it as clean as possible
Oh, glad to hear that. I still check out of privacy-guarding habit.
Fair and valid.