On Linux you can indeed install old apps. You will just need to spend few hours doing so… or use Flatpak I guess.
I use Debian GNU/Linux ftw.
“I can’t run multiplayer games that have anti cheat.”. A.k.a. games that most of my friends play
Except Linux can run them.
It’s the anti-cheat that is deciding to not let the game run.
I play tons of multiplayer games with anti cheat. The ones that don’t run are the ones I wouldn’t even play on a Windows machine though
it’s a bit more complicated. Linux runs games with anti-cheats perfectly fine as long as the anti-cheat doesn’t require kernel-level access.
Basically, this allows to detect some cheats that would be undetected otherwise. But it also allows anti-cheats for absolutely unrestricted access to any user data. In other words, it’s a giant safety vulnerability, that you’re forsed to intall, that still doesn’t solve the cheating problem.
Not like the devs are actually interested to solve anything anyway, cheaters buy new accounts regularily, stimulating post-release sales.
Marvel Rivals, Team Fortress 2, Halo Infinite, CS2, Back 4 Blood, Payday 2, DotA 2, ARK, SMITE, Xonotic, For Honor, Dead By Daylight… https://areweanticheatyet.com/
There’s a clear difference between “can’t” and “developers won’t fix it”.
In the case of BF 6 and fornite it’s “could run, but we actively don’t want you to”.
Feel free to try and convince me otherwise but, games shouldn’t be accessing your kernel at all. That’s a major security issue. Also part of the reason why Linux has complete separation between kernel and OS
Ouch.
But it depends on the developer of said multiplayer games. For example, Arc Raiders uses BattleEye for anti-cheat and it runs fine on Linux.
I would love to try kde3.5 again. The desktop of my childhood. But trinity project takes long to make it happen.
Trinity Desktop is the closest you’ll get.
One of the levels this joke works on is that ducks and dogs and fish and birds are all among the best adapter to their own niche.
Some people just need what Microslop, Apple or Google aree peddling, at some moments.
Another way the joke works is because Linux is still the best, for anyone with a choice. Lol.
The green is palpable
The updates are unwelcome because currently the updates remove desirable functionality while adding unwanted functionality. If they removed the ads and AI, they might actually stop the bleeding.
A serious software company offers separate update channels for feature updates and security updates. But not Microsoft. They don’t offer the bread and the shit separately. You have to eat the whole shit sandwich.
i’ve used linux and i got to say it’s gotten way better than it was a few years ago. most of the stuff works and only had to troubleshoot like a few times
Also, troubleshooting in Linux is different than on Windows. Every time I had to fix a problem with my Linux system I walked away smarter than before. I learned a bit more about how my computer works, so in total it was a slightly positive experience for me.
But anytime I had to troubleshoot my Windows computer it was because Microsoft fucked something up. Fixing Windows feels like wasted time to me, because you never know when they will break it again.
I’m convinced I would need to do a lot more troubleshooting on windows nowadays. Just turning off all the AI is probably a pain in the ass.
i constantly have to troubleshoot my linux computers, but still less than my windows laptop, which is a pain to even boot up
Linux really doesn’t get bragging rights for “install[ing] old applications”. Linux ironically has been somewhat better for me than Windows for running older Windows applications thanks to WINE, but when it comes to installing old Linux applications, even when I wasn’t on a rolling release distro, it’s been a total crapshoot.
If, for example, there’s a native Linux game that hasn’t been updated in a few years, my experience buying it has generally been hoping the Linux version works, it doesn’t, and I’m stuck running it through WINE.
PCSX2 1.6.0, which used wxWidgets, released May 2020, and even five years after that, opening it on Linux shows you a frozen, unusable window that you have to manually kill. (citing PCSX2 because it’s a use case of mine as a contributor.) IIIRC, on Windows, you can straight-up go back to versions from like 2010 and still have them work.
The linux way to handle it is with a
chroot. Used to do this back in the day to get 32bit libraries on a 64bit distro that didn’t include 32bit libraries.chrootis the basis for modern containerization technologies. These days, I usually use it for bleeding edge application builds that don’t have a build for my distro, yet. Distrobox makes it pretty simple. With distrobox, you can install the application you need in the OS that supports the application you want, then just map the binary into your OS.See here: https://distrobox.it/useful_tips/#export-to-the-host
Just fyi containers use
pivot_rootnotchrootIsn’t that functionally what a flatpak is?
Same concept. Flatpak is based on bubblewrap, which was based off another tool that was based on chroot.
Edit: Looks like Flatpak is working towards adopting a different (newer) feature that allows some containerization features at the user level, without requiring chroot super user level.
The reason this is a problem is that devs think they need to save 10MB of RAM by dynamically linking libc instead of statically compiling it or just including the blob with the game.
Puritans on Linux are a real menace. Every time someone calls an OS install image of 3-4gb “bloated” I want to scream uncontrollably. Not statically linking stuff is part of this cultural issue.
Flatpak might solves these issues in the long run. Of course the same people therefore hate it, because it’s “bloated” and “convoluted”.
<rant> How dare we have different versions of the same lib! Where will we end up, like MS Windows? Where I can boot up apps as old as myself? Outrageous! Not my precious mibibytes!). </rant>
Yeah, ten apps on the machine should be enough for anybody.
What, you don’t like role-playing software development & distribution as if we were still in the 90s?? 🥺🥺 /j
But srs, most of Linux’s biggest technical problems are either caused by cultural legacy or blocked by it. The distribution model being one of the most pungent examples.
Fortunately we do have a steady influx of new people incl. those who demand shit to god damn work, finally shifting this notion.
For the time being we still have to resort to using the Windows version and Wine for old software though… But I already had the situation where the (unmaintained but working) app also had a Flatpak which was last updated many years ago and it just worked, which made me incredibly happy and hopeful. ❤️
Good thing there’s a battle-proven response if people don’t like this because it’s “not what Linux is supposed to be” or some other nonsense: If you don’t like it just fork it yourself. 😚
I really think its just not that common. There are ways to do this for the few and not pollute the OS for the many. Steam does it for their use case. If it were a more common of a need, then I would expect distro maintainers to take care of it. The same way they did for 32bit libraries back in the day. When is the last time you had to install a 32bit distro along side your 64bit distro so you could run 32bit applications? Sometimes I need a bleeding edge build of an application. I run a stable distro. So build the application myself or install a quick chroot These days there is distrobox that makes it even easier. There are solutions. Easy from my perspective. That’s why I think, if this was such a common need, distro maintainers would provide a simple solution (automatically done for you).
This hasn’t been a problem for a decade or two, but I see drive costs inflate immensely, I wonder how it will impact how “bloat” is processed. Not everyone has infinite access to storage. BTRFS and other fs dedup features may be an acceptable work around, but I don’t know flatpacks structure enough to know if they can benefit from it.
usually the solution is recompiling it, LD_PRELOADing older libraries or using chroot. Since linus never breaks userspace this can actually provide 100% compatibility.
Yeah, I found quite a few games that I had to go in and specify it re-download and use Proton because the Linux native build was borked.
In a lot of cases devs will export for Linux but not test it.
I can’t stop you from breaking the whole system when you try to configure something and you do it wrong 😅
That’s the burden of assuming the operator is a person capable of understanding the consequences of their actions.
tbf you can do that on windows too, but there’s fewer ways to do it, and fewer ways to fix it, so someone else will have fucked up the same way previously and posted about it online somewhere, and system restore points are enabled by default 😅
looks at the camera
Remove le French at once I say!!
What a nice way to say
sudo rm -fr /You can tell it’s sudo by the “I say!!” at the end :).
“Unified Package format” sadge
Obscurething.so not found. You can’t get it either, it’s unmaintained and doesn’t work with anything anymore.
Linux has this problem too. Stop pretending it doesn’t. Everything sucks for different reasons. You are choosing the trades you are willing to make.
Yes. Linux can be frustrating too.
Your post history indicates you’re pushing Linux in some (very!) interesting directions, and impatient for it to work. Linux is (usually) free, and free Linux solutions do move at the pace of free.
I get it, it can be frustrating.
It comes across as entitled to be angry at others for enjoying how nice a stock install of Linux Mint can be, while you’re fighting to get Steam to recognize controllers on headless Fedora.
Heck, I haven’t seen a headless release of Mac or Windows in almost 30 years? I guess I could get my hands on a relatively new headless Windows Server edition meant for automated testing…maybe?
I’m curious if there’s a community doing what you’re doing on some other OS? It all sounds fascinating, honestly. Any links to resources would be welcome.
Anyway. What you’re up to sounds hard and interesting! I hope you will share your solutions with the community!
Linux is a community, and when you’re doing something really interesting, there may not be many members of the community doing the same thing, yet.
Lots of people surf the web and check email, and yes, we’re having a moment, because many versions of Linux are really nice for surfing the web and checking email, finally.
You can delay Windows updates up to 30 days at a time, and do that indefinitely. Or just black hole the update server in your hosts file to disable updates entirely.
There are also ways to not download updates until a certain amount of time after their release, and then to give yourself something like two weeks before it auto installs during a period when the computer is not in active use.
I haven’t had an update happen unexpectedly since Vista.
And lets be real, do we really want to just let the average chucklefuck run around with insecure shit? There’s an element of protecting people from themselves going on here as well.
The point is there shouldn’t have to be a work around, reg hack or host file modification. I should be allowed to do with my computer what I want. I agree it should be on by default, but, there should be an easy no/off switch.
Almost all of the settings are a simple on off switch. Group policy and the settings menu. Both are easily navigatible GUIs with clear descriptions of what the switches do. You only have to go the hosts file route if you want the extreme of completely disabling updates.
I work in sysadmin in a Windows environment. I haven’t had to touch the registry (for Windows configuration, we won’t talk about dumbass software devs) in over four years, and it was only because I didn’t check group policy first.
Please, for the love of all that is worthwhile in this world, don’t lecture others on the ease or difficulty of configuring systems if you aren’t actually familiar with how to configure those systems.
I think they should not push updates that constantly break shit and introduce AI into everything, maybe then people would not mind the windows updates.
But where’s the fun in that, right? Gotta get people to switch to Linux somehow and I appreciate their effort.
Wanna remove the only way to boot into the computer? Go ahead, you are in control. But sure hope you have a baxkup boot loader somewhere lol
Wanna remove the only way to boot into the computer?
That example is particularly on point, since I’ve done it (removed by boot bits - oops!) for a few of these, and each time I used a Linux Live boot CD to recover.
Even if I needed some other tool to repair things, the Linux Live CD went in first to do some backups.
Fine with that. I don’t like my shit telling me “primalmotion, I’m afraid I can’t do that”
“primalmotion, I’m afraid I can’t do that”
“sudo go kill yourself, you smarmy little shit”
Linux distros: 🫡
Oh Windows did mess with me a gazillion times in 2000s, when I was a poor kid with just one HDD, and tried to dual boot.
The amount of times that me as a teenager had to call the computer shop after the OS being unusable because I was messing around was insane. They eventually just gave me the pirated copies of everything so I could reinstall stuff on my own. I really don’t miss the times of using windows and the constant reinstalls and breakage it had.
Just don’t do that then
You can add to the dog “I support a global a global human trafficking and child rape network.”
Moreso than the Apple dude?
Is Tim Apple in the Epstein files? I hadn’t seen that he was. Just giving baby a prize for being a baby.
Edit: it’s a real question, has anyone seen Tim Cook in there? Jobs wasn’t IIRC.
