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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/58368644
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This is an objectively good thing.
since the outbreak of the war in Israel, Beijing has classified Israel as a “high-risk area” and imposed a ban on any new Chinese investments in the country,
This is not a moral standing by China, it’s 100% pragmatic deeming Israel a high risk area.
There is no reason to call China “based” or any other such crazy comments we see here.They’re just reading the room. They’re not doing it because they think israel is bad, they’re doing it because it’s economically disastrous to do so. Within the next few years the US will be in the same position if it keeps going the way it is. We’ll be too “high risk.”
Why is China the only country reading the room?
Others don’t want to be antisemitic /s (probably they still get a ton of money out of it)
I disagree. The epstein files prove how captured the entire american political apparatus is by pissrael. In fact, pissrael has done so, to most Global North countries. China taking this stance is actually pretty big when you consider that and the geopolitical implications of declaring their opposition to the American empire.
The more I learn about China, the more I like. Mostly.
When our actions align, then take it
Cool story bro
… huh.
man.
hate to state what some might consider obvious, but this is actually a novel thought for a critter like me–something that has been raised entirely immersed in bullshit propaganda for its entire life…
but uh, wow, a lot of the propaganda I’ve had shoveled down my gullet all along has just been straight up false, hasn’t it.
China was never the ‘bad guy’…
They are literally upstaging the united states in every way. Quite possibly they have been for a long time and I’m only just now capable of seeing it since the illusion of civil rights and humane decency has gone up in smoke here in the US what with the government’s quiet repressive acts now becoming VERY VERY LOUD. >.<
If China even is sending squads of state sponsored domestic terrorist masked goons to murder their own civilians like the US federal government is, people either aren’t making a lot of noise about it or their media control apparatus has kept a lid on it better than the US has.
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I would’ve been sarcastic about that in the past but now I am honestly and truthfully of an open mind here for possibly the first time in my life. I had believed my mind was open in the past but there are some presuppositions that have just … suddenly stopped holding water.
If China really is better than the United States in every metric, I sure hope more americans will realize it sooner rather than later. I’m still gathering information, though.
Damn. I remember a time when I actually believed that ‘social credit system’ horseshit. Now I know that there was only ever ONE municipality that tried to do with it what the anti-china propaganda implied and they were punished for it by the national government because it was a stupid thing to do, and that otherwise ‘social credit’ was only ever proposed as an accountability system for public officials, not for personal individuals just living their every day lives.
Kinda expecting people will come out of the woodwork on here to dunk on me for my ignorance, though, one way or another ._.
Better in every metric? Try being Chinese and criticizing the government online, and see what happens to you. That’s a pretty scary metric.
…hmmm
Err……
….gee
Yeah, guys…… I’m starting to think…… China might not be so great
Well, the US has also begun sending federal agents to “visit” people who have said disparaging things about the regime lately >.>
China did NOT become any better than it had been… it’s just that the united states has gotten worse.
relatively speaking: in any of the ways in which the united states can still be said to be better than china, it is less better today than it had been a few years ago, and its trajectory at this time is presently accelerating in a direction that will not be a good time for most of the people living here.
but alright. i’ll take your word for it that all the instances we see of people being terrorized by the chinese government is NOT just manufactured anti-china propaganda. I’ll continue taking it, even if with more grains of salt than i used to…
Yeah, I’m not buying the “gee, guys, I used to believe the AmeriKKKa propaganda, but this really makes me think” act. It must work better on the morons in the tankie communities.
The US is fucked right now, but at least there is hope in a democracy, while it lasts. If we ever become a full on totalitarian dystopia like China, it’s over. It makes me sad to think that, with modern surveillance technology, there is probably no way for them to dig themselves out of it at this point.
If we ever become a full on totalitarian dystopia like China, it’s over.
What evidence would convince you that this has happened?
I ask because we seem to have blown far past China in every form of human rights violation that China would have to work hard to become as much of a totalitarian dystopia.
I’ve been to China. I’ve watched porn without a VPN and no one cared. From my experience, the tales of Chinese dystopia are more than a little exaggerated.
You watched porn in China without a VPN, so the US has blown way past China for human rights violations?
So, because the US is regrettably inching toward authoritarianism, the fully authoritarian state was the better one all along?
Is it because of innumeracy that people seem to have such a hard time grasping the magnitude of evil?
So, because the US is regrettably inching toward authoritarianism, the fully authoritarian state was the better one all along?
In which of these countries do the police shoot / choke random people in broad daylight? In which of them is slavery still legal?
China is far from perfect but why would you compare it to like the second worst country in the world?
Try being Muslim and keeping your organs in China.
Did you read the article? It’s about money and risk because of the war. It isn’t some altruistic thing because they care about people’s lives.
I mean it’s not like they WOULD say “We are morally opposed to israel” because actually saying that out loud in an international environment would’ve created a shit ton of drama. Meanwhile, saying “it’s because of your war” is kinda passive aggressively rubbing it in that attacking palestine was a bad move.
…
hm.
In light of your comment, though, I’m willing to accept that I was probably just projecting >.> it’s WAAAAAY more likely I was just indulging wishful thinking and not-so-subconsciously presuming the morality of others based on their actions rather than their words and that’s not actually smart of me like, at all. So… thank you for the second opinion. You have in fact helped me perceive more much-needed nuance here.
Welcome to the land of critical thinking. Whether your take on China is objectively, or provably right or wrong, your take on the US is not generating any argument and that says a lot in itself.
There’s still a lot of room in critical thinking land (thanks to social media and propaganda) so make yourself comfortable, pull up a chair and enjoy making your own decisions about things.
China was never the ‘bad guy’
I will argue this to libs all day long, but with actual leftists, there’s a lot of “critical” when it comes to critically supporting China, especially if you’re looking at historical foreign policy after the sino-soviet split.
Nah they’re all the “bad guy” in different ways. I guarantee this is not some altruistic act. There is a political and economic reason.
China is not bad. Well, it is, but its better than the US. Well, not better than the US right now, but will improve to be better than the US in some undefined amount of time. Well, not really improve, but the US will become worse… Maybe, I guess
I’m glad you put all the mental gymnastics in a single post and were can’t ignore ask follow up nonsense
i’m glad you shoved all these words in my mouth because now i know better than to bother with your opinion. blocked.
