Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. …

More context

Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. …

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

  • Pamasich@kbin.earth
    816·
    15 hours ago

    What I think they meant was that people here only think about the genocide and thus declare the perpetrators evil (which they are) and the victims the good guys (hamas are not).

    One side’s atrocities don’t justify the other side’s. Excusing your own group’s actions because they’re the good guys is far right thinking.

    In reality there’s more factors to this than just the genocide, and both hamas and israel are the bad guys in their own way. One is just worse than the other, but that doesn’t make the other good.

    • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
      145·
      13 hours ago

      In this particular conflict, Hamas very much are the good guys (if we have to think in such childish terms) in the same way that the allies were the good guys in World War 2 despite the fact they were mostly genocidal empires themselves. Hell, Hamas are far less evil than almost every western government, especially the German one, because they aren’t actively supporting mass genocide.

      You condemn all groups actually fighting against Isreals genocide. That is just supporting the Genocide with extra steps

    • LeninWeave [any]@lemmy.mlEnglish
      2110·
      15 hours ago

      declare the perpetrators evil (which they are)

      Correct.

      and the victims the good guys (hamas are not)

      You’re wrong, Hamas are in fact “the good guys” in this conflict. The resistance to the genocidal settler state are good even if they don’t measure up to whatever arbitrary standard of perfection you have in mind.

      One side’s atrocities don’t justify the other side’s. Excusing your own group’s actions because they’re the good guys is far right thinking.

      Bullshit framing designed to try to equate between the invading settler state (with overwhelming firepower) and the (often barely adult) native resistance just trying to survive and protect their homes.

      In reality there’s more factors to this than just the genocide, and both hamas and israel are the bad guys in their own way. One is just worse than the other, but that doesn’t make the other good.

      “Hemming and hawing over genocide is disgusting.”

      • Pamasich@kbin.earth
        1013·
        14 hours ago

        You’re wrong, Hamas are in fact “the good guys” in this conflict.

        Let’s agree to disagree there then. I wasn’t planning to convince you after all.

            • Riverside@reddthat.comEnglish
              74·
              12 hours ago

              No, you just want to dictate from your comfortable desk how the resistance to an 80-year-long occupation and genocide should look like.

              • Pamasich@kbin.earth
                54·
                12 hours ago

                That’s not what I said that in response to. This doesn’t mean I oppose resistance to genocide, this means I have expectations towards resistance groups. Not the same position. Opposing the form doesn’t mean I oppose the concept.

                • LeninWeave [any]@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  62·
                  7 hours ago

                  This doesn’t mean I oppose resistance to genocide, this means I have expectations towards resistance groups.

                  A sentence so steeped in colonial attitudes it’s practically tea.

                • Riverside@reddthat.comEnglish
                  65·
                  12 hours ago

                  Exactly my point, you think you have any moral right to decide in what form and shape the local resistance against Zionism has to take shape, and otherwise it doesnt get your support.

                  There are material reasons why Hamas is structured the way it is, and you may not like them or share all their goals, but their primary goal is the liberation of Palestine from Zionism and you should support them in that

                  • Pamasich@kbin.earth
                    43·
                    11 hours ago

                    If that’s your point, you replied to the wrong comment of mine earlier.

                    When I said “I don’t agree on that claim, no.” I was specifically referring to the claim that I oppose resistance to genocide, period. When in reality I’m opposing the form that resistance is taking, not resistance itself. That’s why I said I don’t agree with the claim made.

                    You don’t seem to argue with that fact, you’re just arguing about my actual position. Which isn’t what I was denying.