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      This applies when RAM is used as temporary cache or something that can be instantly freed the moment it is needed otherwise. This doesn’t really work for justifying higher RAM use by KDE, unless you would never need that RAM for anything else anyway.

      I use KDE because it is good, though. Also I don’t think KDE even uses more RAM than other DEs that are designed to be lightweight. Last time I compared, it used the same or less memory as LXDE.

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        Also I don’t think KDE even uses more RAM than other DEs that are designed to be lightweight. Last time I compared, it used the same or less memory as LXDE.

        Firefox without any website loaded uses more RAM than a full Plasma session.

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          The difference being that in the one of those cases you still need to open a browser instance before you are able to browse the web.

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            The difference being that in the one of those cases you still need to open a browser instance before you are able to browse the web.

            Firefox is absolutely unusable on that PC. Falkon runs much better.

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        Also, higher ram usage by programs makes it less likely that their actively used RAM (ie what it is actually currently using) fits in your CPUs caches, making them run slower.

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      It’s just really oversimplifying memory usage. OS designers had that same thought decades ago already, so they introduced disk caching. If data gets loaded from disk, then it won’t be erased from memory as soon as it isn’t needed anymore. It’s only erased, if something else requests memory and this happens to be the piece of “free” memory that the kernel thinks is the most expendable.

      For example, this is what the situation on my system looks like:

      free -h
                     total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
      Mem:            25Gi       9,8Gi       6,0Gi       586Mi       9,3Gi        15Gi
      

      Out of my 32 GiB physical RAM, 25 GiB happens to be usable by my applications, of which:

      • 9.8 GiB is actually reserved (used),
      • 9.2 GiB is currently in use for disk caching and buffers (buff/cache), and
      • only 6.1 GiB is actually unused (free).

      If you run cat /proc/meminfo, you can get an even more fine-grained listing.

      I’m sure, I could get the number for actually unused memory even lower, if I had started more applications since booting my laptop. Or as the Wikipedia article I linked above puts it:

      Usually, all physical memory not directly allocated to applications is used by the operating system for the page[/disk] cache.

      So, if you launch a memory-heavy application, it will generally cause memory used for disk caching to be cleared, which will slow the rest of your system down somewhat.

      Having said all that, I am on KDE myself. I do not believe, it’s worth optimizing for the speed of the system, if you’re sacrificing features that would speed up your usage of it. Hell, it ultimately comes down to how happy you are with your computer, so if it makes you happy, then even gaudy eye-candy can be the right investment.
      I just do not like these “unused RAM is wasted RAM” calls, because it is absolutely possible to implement few features while using lots of memory, and that does slow your system down unnecessarily.

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      “i paid for the whole RAM imma use the whole RAM”

      –me in 2010 using console commands to turn off all the particle effects in Portal so that I could boost my fps to ~20 w/ minimum settings (the laptop did not have a graphics card lmao)

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    KDE is a LOT lighter than it used to be. The migration to plasma was ugly but they definitely got their shit together. Resource wise, it’s fine. You can run it in a pi.

    GNOME is unapologetic resource wise. It’s like living with an asshole roommate that doesn’t understand why everyone hates him. It’s not getting better. KDE is.

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      While I agree with you, it’s not like GNOME consumes so many ressources that it affects the average person’s experience.

      Personally, I think GNOME is much more self explanatory. Whatever environment you come from, even if you have no computing experience at all, you will probably get stuff done with GNOME.

      With Plasma, I noticed that people with low tech-skills struggle a lot more, because they are less crazy about making everything super duper extra obvious (especially how to configure stuff)

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        Where is maximize? Where is minimize? I see windows on the screen but no window buttons other than close.

        It’s windows 8 all over again. A touch interface whether you like it or not.

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    IDK what y’all are on about. KDE + Khronkite uses very little RAM. There are a few background things you can disable if you don’t need them to make it even leaner.

    It also just works, with so many integrations, all maintained for you.

    My brief foray into discrete WMs like Sway was nostop “oh, it doesn’t have a WiFi manager? Oh, no sharing? Oh, no…” and I ended up having to install a bunch of stuff manually, manually configure it all, tie them together with some scripts and services that break with updates, and find out I did a no-so-great job because I haven’t spent literally thousands of man hours in integration and ended up using a lot of extra disk space and RAM anyway!

    Breathes.

    So yeah. Big DEs are nice. And lean, mostly.

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      The one thing I have to make leaner on every clean Plasma install is KSearch or what it’s called. searching for programs is WAY slow with all the search functionality enabled

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        Oh I wasn’t aware I can configure what kinds of things it searches for. now it’s almost instant. thanks for the tip!

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      Yes, for window managers, it’s worth finding a good strongly opinionated distro or script to start with, so you don’t have to hunt down and configure a dozen tools.

      ML4W, Dank Linux, Zirconium, Omarchy come to mind

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            I use EndeavourOS. Both are in the AUR, so it was really simple. (obligatory mention of the greatness of Arch Wiki)

            The hardest part was figuring out how to get Waybar to disappear. It was showing below the Noctalia menubar.

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      For what it’s worth, I was in a similar boat. I wanted to try WMs/compositors, but the configuration seemed daunting. Then I gave Dank Material Shell a try and it just configured the vast majority of the system very nicely. I still had to change some window rules in the config file, but even that has a GUI now. I also heard great things about Noctalia, and I’m sure there are others as well.

      I still think KDE is a top-tier option, to be clear. :P And adding tiling to KDE is also a great way to get the best of both worlds, just from the other direction.

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      KDE Plasma can do that, too, via a KWinscript: https://codeberg.org/anametologin/Krohnkite 🙃

      On a more serious note, this is a genuine recommendation. I’ve been using Krohnkite and similar scripts for a few years now, and they’re absolutely fine, especially since Plasma 6 introduced a native, manual tiling mechanism, which they just have to configure.
      Especially for newbies wanting to try out tiling window management, without having to figure out a minimalist environment like a bare window manager, this is a great entrypoint IMHO.

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    I run Plasma 6. Not because I like it but because I dislike it less than Gnome infuriates me.

    If lack of features and customizability is my biggest gripe with Gnome, crazy instability is my gripe with KDE. Plasma is fine on defaults, but once you customize (the way it’s supposed to work), KDE becomes plain unstable. The Wacom pen input settings panel is way better in KDE than Gnome. That’s the biggest reason I stay.

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    KDE can be considered heavy only if your idea of a desktop use is to launch it and stop right there.

    But normally after that you launch apps and that’s where the magic happens: it is so integrated, apps barely add any more RAM usage on top.

    So instead of comparing DE x and y, compare what a desktop actively used looks like: browser? office suite? file manager? drawing app?

    Only then will you be able to compare you RAM usage from one DE to another. Everything else is comparing cars fuel economy when they’re all idle.

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    XFCE has always seemed to cover most any “normal” desktop experience I’ve ever needed, still even beating Windows hands down (as if that’s difficult, especially these days).

    Granted, I don’t use KDE Connect or … what ever else KDE has over XFCE. The styling options are fun, but I’m too old to care about style these days.

    I have NOT compared them to confirm any of the supposed lesser resource usage of XFCE, so if you’re going to roast me, tell me why (preferrably with direct data so we can all know).

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      XFCE is great, although a little stale and slow to evolve. I used it for many years. Still remember when Thunar finally got thumbnail previews.

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    I was actually just considering trying out a different DE like Cosmic or a compositor like Hyprland, but idk if it’s just a “grass is greener” thing or not. KDE’s got a lot going on for it and switching between QT and GTK is a pain, and I’ve never used a compositor so idk what to expect.

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      I switched my work PC to Pop a couple months ago and seriously gave Cosmic a try.

      I had issues with it remembering screen positions and monitor settings would get reset to default on every boot. I installed KDE last week and it was like changing to a comfortable pair of shoes. Everything magically started working exactly how it should.

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        Cosmic is still beta but I’m excited for it none-the-less as I use Gnome with all the cosmic extensions today. I just find that KDE feels dated and limited and Cosmics ease of customizability is very appealing

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      KDE is cool, but i was a heavy shortcut user even on Windows. Me discoovering Hyprland is akin to a drug-addict trying out heroine, because i can’t go back now.

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          Niri implements a scrolling windowmanager like PaperWM instead of tiling like Hyprland. Tiling resizes your windows constantly, while scrolling only resizes when you want it to. If you keep opening windows, Niri opens them to the right of the last one on an infinitely wide workspace. Workspaces are organized vertically downwards. There’s no fixed number of workspaces, they grow on demand. There’s also a zoomed out overview showing you all workspaces and windows. Niri and Hyprland have some similarities though otherwise like lots of keyboard commands to move, resize, arrange windows.

          Niri is friendlier overall I would say. It’s worth trying both since they are distinct.

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    I used KDE early on… around SuSE 7.3. It was a trash fire for a long time. Wildly unstable, would take so long to compile it was basically a meme in the community before memes existed in mainstream, and it was like every single random idea was implemented. Zero cohesiveness. Thumbed their noses at any kind of UI/UX standards. Gnome, of all things was the more solid option if you wanted a “desktop.” Weird to think about considering how that ended up. It has come a longgggggggggg way. Still not for me but after messing with it recently I was pleasantly surprised.

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    I changed to tiling about a decade ago. The pain of switching now would never be worth it. I don’t think I’ve tweaked a config in several years. Shit just works. As always, to each their own.

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    Moved from KDE to hyperland, while keeping some of the ecosystem, like KDE PIM, Dolphins, Okular and the other standard apps.

    Best decision for my daily work I made in a long time

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    I’m really interested in a tiling VM such as hyperland but I really like all the features of KDE. The latest release is absolutely massive and comes with “Save current theme”

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        Looks good, I’m going to try it out. I’ve almost good a complete zero mouse setup on my computer and i only use it for websites. I go as far as to use the terminal to connect to BT headphones and to play/pause music.

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      hyprland looks good for screenshots but as soon as you update your system you’ll see that beautiful error box on top of your screen