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Anyone interested in telling Discord to bite it, check out Sharkord
Lol, already deleted my account.
They can get fucked.
Yep. Its wasn’t even a question
Well of course discord users are pissed off they have to upload their ID. Now their discord kittens will know how old they actually are.
That’s just gives Fluxer more time to prepare for the switch 👍
That’s what my community is doing. We’re going to move to Matrix just to be rid of Discord and then seeing what we want to do next.
Programmers with thigh-high striped socks should still take one for the team and work on Fluxer. Seriously!
Delays
not cancels, rolls back, stops or retracts. Delay is just doing something later than expected. This will not bring people back or change their minds.
Absolutely
Even if it was “cancel” that would just be a slightly longer delay.
Delaying in hopes that people forget
good because i heard there isnt a good alternative to discord.
Perfect 1:1 drop in hassle free replacement with the exact same feature set? No, there isn’t.
Viable alternatives that aren’t too bad to learn? There are many.
fluxer is 95% a drop in. Its just dealing with stablity issues due to the massive influx of users.
I agree, but one of my friends told me the above.
Matrix is pretty good due to e2ee.
So this, but Discord.
This is SO GOOD
But a true easy to use discord alternative is still not there.
For chat: IRC, Stoat, Fluxer, Root, Zulip, Matrix, Slack, Teams, Guilded.
For voice/video: Mumble, Teamspeak, Jitsi Meet, also several of the above.
I’m in the process of migrating my community to Stoat (formerly Revolt). It’s janky as all balls because new platform, but it’s going well.
wdym there’s been good alternatives to Discord for decades.
This is just not true at all, only recently have alternatives started to spring up that even get close to the number of features and level of polish that discord has (note, discord still has plenty of issues, I’m not saying its perfect)
Easy buttons cost money. Free takes some work.
I don’t know man, deal with it
Fluxer exists and is a near 1:1 drop in replacement.
It’s current only real problem is the servers are overloaded. But it has a self host option to bypass that very problem.
A bigger problem than a technical alternative is convincing all of your friends to switch.
There are multiple other programs that fill a similar niche, but I don’t know I’ll be able to get everyone I know to change over.
I definitely will discontinue using Discord if they deploy this surveillance state bullshit, but a little bit sad over the number of gaming buddies I’ll lose contact with in the process.
If they choose not to switch, then that’s on them. Eventually enough people will start migrating that stragglers will also start to follow.
It will take a while for a full on replacement to be viable. People need move to this kind of stuff with friends and small groups for now. As time goes on, the infrastructure and community momentum will build out and make moving feasible for larger groups, though. That’s to say, if you’ve got a massive Discord server with 10 thousand people, 100 different channels, and complex bots, you can’t simply knee jerk move it overnight without destroying the community. Number one, the community has to want to move. A switch of that nature starts with people using other options alongside Discord. When there’s enough people using something else, there needs to be a good plan laid out for how to build out the new server and make the switch seamless for the users.
I think it looks promising, but it’s still very early days. Hopefully they can gain more traction.
Waiting for a C&D from Discord. I’m avoiding on that premise alone.
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It’s developed by a previous discord developer and looks exactly like Discord. Only a matter of time before they shut it down if it gains enough traction.
Its developed by a kid out of uni and discord doesnt own the UI style.
They make profit off of that UI style and that’s all that really matters. Only a matter of time as I said.
https://fluxer.app/ looks promising
There is a bunch of stuff that can become an alternative, if the users will come.
TeamSpeak 6 and Stoat? Didn’t use the second one.
The matrix protocol is actually easy to use, it just takes a bit of effort to get into. Once you’re in, then it’s as easy as Discord, I haven’t had any issues and it’s been a great learning experience. https://joinmatrix.org/
This is bullshit. I’m sorry. I’ve tried signing up on like three servers with Element Classic and Element X and all of them fail. Maybe I’ve just gotten incredibly unlucky with the instances I’ve picked, but it’s been a much tougher time than joining Lemmy was.
I have an old matrix.org account I can use, but it’s asking me to get something from a currently logged in session, which I don’t have any. I saved all the files and phrases it asked me to when I joined originally, but it isn’t enough. There’s a possibility I missed one, but the fact that I do have a file and phrase saved in my password manager is evidence I was saving what it asked me to.
If worst comes to worst I can just use matrix.org, but I know that Matrix’s “federated but de facto centralized” problem is much worse than Lemmy’s (lemmy.world is big but not a majority, but I think a majority of people use matrix.org) and I’m trying to help fix that.
It’s just frustrating. I want Matrix to be the Discord replacement but it’s a pain in the ass currently. And Discord is so many things to do many people. It’s voice for some, streaming for some, and for a lot it’s the fact that it’s DMs, rooms, servers, voice, and streaming all in one and with a very large user base. Matrix, to my knowledge, is only rooms, servers (or more properly spaces in Matrix, since they have real servers), and DMs. Back when I used it more frequently it wasn’t super active. Especially for really niche activities. And don’t even get me started on the state of NSFW matrix, I went down that rabbit hole and one of the top results was MAP stuff (pedophiles). There’s also just a huge amount of furry stuff, which isn’t inherently a problem, but when it seems like there’s dozens of NSFW furry rooms and a top result on search is talking about which servers and rooms are sympathetic to pedophiles and the folks most likely to be leaving Discord are the ones who were doing NSFW things because that’s what’s actually age restricted I can’t really evangelize Matrix as a good replacement.
This sort of turned into more of a rant than I intended. It’s just frustrating.
(Edit: Also, to be clear, I’m not saying it’s Matrix’s fault pedophile apologists use it or that it’s a top result, I’m just expressing frustration with the situation.)
there are “spaces” now which is a collection of rooms, which is a pretty good analogue for discord “servers”
I may not have been clear, I just meant that “Discord servers” are not “servers” in the way the word is actually used (meaning a computer) and that Matrix instances actually are real “servers”. But yeah, spaces are like Discord servers.
Matrix, to my knowledge, is only chats, servers (or more properly rooms in Matrix, since they have real servers), and DMs.
I was responding to this
Ohh I see, I’ll edit
They’re delaying it by six months. They’re banking on this blowing over by then. Fuck discord.
Let’s hope this gives competitors more time to get things setup well.
Was about to say this, how nice of discord to give people time to migrate to another service
The thing that’s insane to me is that most of the alternatives have screen sharing with working audio on the back burner, while I can tell you that the first one to get it working will be my go to. Hopefully with this extra cushion, one of them can get it working it’s the only thing discord has over its competitors other than general stability related things.
Fluxer has screen sharing with audio.
This is my take. Fluxer and Root are the top two for my group, but they need more time in the oven(hell, everything does).
So far I’ve uninstalled discord on my devices and I’m using it via the web browser only in a container tab, until my group switches over to something else.
Can’t fucking wait to delete my account.
Does screen sharing works on the web browser? I might do discord in a container in a Firefox fork if it does work well.
No idea, I never used screen sharing on Discord unless it was a very rare occasion to share my view when playing a specific game. So, I’m not the right person to ask…sorry
Matrix seems pretty mature, and has screen sharing with audio?
Matrix the protocol, yeah, is fine. The clients? Only Element Classic seems to work decently on Android, the newer one sucks. The other half dozen clients are atrocious. On desktop Element is fine, but I was experiencing extreme latency, however that was during the initial “rush” to find a Discord alternative a week or so ago.
But, my biggest gripe is trying to explain what Matrix is to other people. Then have to explain what federation is, then the fediverse. Then I get dumb questions of “Why do I need to create a Matrix account to use Element? Can’t I just use a Element account?” which either means they didn’t understand my previous explanation or they weren’t paying attention.
With Fluxer or Root or whatever, I can say “Go make an account on Fluxer.app and then go use the web version until the app is released” and everyone understands that just fine.
Same thing happened in 2021-ish when WhatsApp changed their policy that all your information would be shared with Facebook. Outrage pushed it back six months, and then they did it anyway.
this is the second time they have “delayed” the age verification
I cancelled my nitro when it was announced they were doing this shady crap and it’s staying cancelled until there is credible assurances they won’t be handing over personal data to the like so palantir and other related goons.
The only way you should trust them, or anyone else, is if they don’t collect your personal data at all. There is absolutely no way I’d trust any website or service with information like what they want. All of these laws are explicitly designed to create a digital profile of every person so they can track what you do. It can’t be done ethically because it isn’t supposed to be done ethically.
Short of regular 3rd party audits, there’s nothing they can do that would assure they’re handling your data with privacy and care. And even that’s a stretch.
Just like WhatsApp did when they introduced the TOS change for WhatsApp for Business
Alright, stoat or revolt or anyone else, you’ve got 6 months. I’ll move my group over in 6 months and donate to the best solution. Thanks everyone for pushing back against discord, to the indie devs who are working on alternatives, and to the self-hosting community for making it possible for me to even plan to move off of discord.
And why not to give Matrix a chance? Stoat (named Revolt before), Fluxer or anything else that is centralised is going to end up doing the same.
Because from what I can tell Matrix isn’t a good Discord replacement. I’ll spin up a server just to trial it, but every person I’ve talked to who isn’t already on Matrix and every thing I’ve seen or read says it’s not a discord replacement, it’s just a chat app.
Stoat and Fluxer can be self-hosted which is my main desire. Something fully under my control, with my data security, that won’t rely on another service to keep it running (although naturally I rely on the code base being maintained, hence donating as if it was a paid product).
You can self-host Matrix without federating, but it’s the best part about it. There is still work to be done about video calls, screen sharing and such in different Matrix clients but it is being work on. Try for example CommetChat as it’s the closest to Discord.
Because the user experience of Matrix is poor and not currently a sufficient Discord replacement.
Fluxer isn’t entirely centralized. It has self hosting support.
It’s quasi centralized pretty much the same as matrix.
You can just opt to not use the central server for hosting services.
This is fantastic news! Not because I actually give a shit about sticking with Discord after getting slapped in the face with this insulting age verification nonsense, but because Discord has basically no competition and 6 months will be plenty of time for a real contender to emerge in time for them to shoot themselves in the foot again.
I don’t think Discord actually appreciates how much market share is going to slip away from them in the next 6 months. They were probably better off going through with their clandestine spying plan now while some people might be complacent enough to just comply and provide their ID to get handed over to the fucking Feds.
Oh, cool, I definitely trust them again. 🙄
As if backlash matters to them. There’s 200+ million active daily users. They’re betting on the majority not giving a fuck, and they are right.
I try and try again to convince my friends to leave discord, but they don’t care. Not sure what it will take for them to change.
Seriously, I already deleted my discord account once before, because their terms of service already were claiming that all private messages and channel messages are being collected and sold to advertisers and data collection groups. I only joined back because I missed my friends. But now?? I could give a fuck, I already spun up Sharkord, and it runs well. In 6 months time, it will likely be good enough to completely ditch discord, so fuck it. My privacy matters more than friends who don’t use their damn brains.
Are your friends going to share their documents with Discord?
They don’t even need the majority to not give a fuck. Just the idiots that pay for nitro
I just signed up with Fluxer last night and chat with one of my old Discord friends. Fluxer is still very much in beta and under development, but seems to be a pretty promising open source clone of Discord.
Oh man, when they get native mobile apps, I’m looking to switch my Mattermost server to Fluxer. I’ve had good luck with Mattermost, but its not truly OSS and its been moving features over to paid enterprise accounts so the time is soon.
You don’t need a native mobile app to use the Progressive Web App (PWA) installation.
As much as I like a lot of the discord alternatives out there I fear they will all eventually face the same fate. Decentralised or someone wrapping the signal protocol into a discord like client is probably the only way to avoid this again.
Fluxer is going to be federated, it’s on their roadmap.
Well I mean Fluxer is open source and have self hosting options on their roadmap. 🤷♂️
I’m still hopeful about https://veilid.com/ but I suspect that’s a long way out; the protocol is still in development stages, let alone implementations of it.
Is fluxer as network f’ed up as Discord without the minimum democratic standard of human readable domains, or is it the slavery of dozens of undocumented raw IP addresses?
What do you mean with that in regards to Discord?
Check DNS logs. Discord is proprietary undocumented garbage that connects to dozens of raw IP addresses that have no documentation, rhyme, or reasoning. You have no clue what or who is connected in that mess of garbage, or why they are there.
It is about like, I’m going to give you access to a phone, a special phone, it just works.
It is a prison phone. You are in prison when you use it… technically. But you don’t really “see” the “place”. The other inmates are all around you. They see you, but you don’t see them. Never mind that though, the phone just works. Lots of people love that phone. Nobody asks questions. Just use the phone and pay no attention to all the rest. It will be fine.
Business model? Viability? Never mind all of that. Don’t ask questions like that. The numbers do not add up in the slightest. That is the magic of prisons. Justice costs a lot, but it is worth it right. Magic phone is easy. Ask no questions. Expect no answers. Totally normal, everyone is doing it.
The whole thing is a mass of clueless zombie morons that ask no questions and have no idea who what or why they are connected to with all those raw IP addresses. They all give trust blindly without accountability or understanding.
Honestly I have no idea yet, as I only heard of it and signed up last night. I am optimistic though…
