Average U.S. retail gasoline prices crossed $3 a gallon for the first time since November on Monday as the conflict in the Middle East worsened, setting up a key test of public approval of President Donald Trump’s decision to attack Iran, analysts said.
Tehran’s retaliation in response to U.S. and Israeli strikes has disrupted global oil supply, as it hit production facilities in neighboring countries and ships in the Strait of Hormuz, a key global trade route. Oil prices have surged, with Brent crude rising more than 5% to nearly $77 per barrel, and fuel prices moving up in tandem with the feedstock costs.
Hmm.
I own a 2015 Hyundai Sonata (base model) which is a sedan, not an SUV. The gas tank capacity is 18 gallons.
I also own a 2025 Subaru Forester (Premium model), which is an SUV and has a gas tank capacity of approximately 17 gallons.
Difference is roughly the same between a sedan and an SUV and both use 87 octane.
huh, my car has an 8 gallon tank. the standard isn’t tank size, it’s that you can drive it 400 miles
What is the MPG between those vehicles? How long will their respective tanks last?
The Forester is not an SUV, it is a crossover. It is basically a wagon with a higher-riding suspension. SUV =/= crossover, even if automobile marketing has convinced a large segment of the population otherwise.
A Forester is still an SUV. It’s classified as an SUV whether you like it or not. A crossover SUV is still an SUV. It’s a subclass, but falls under the umbrella.
Sonata: 25/37 Forester: 26/33
They are fairly close in stats.
Look, I get what you’re saying. The whole thing is these vehicles are a range and people are driving what they can. To just give a blanket “fuck these people for this broad category” seems weird to me.
I am merely pointing out nuances and I don’t understand what is triggering some people to turn into a hostile jack ass for pointing something out. 🤷♂️
The classification doesn’t determine what it actually is. It is an arbitrary label.
SUVs and crossovers are functionally different. I don’t really give a shit that someone decided to group them together and dont feel bound to perpetuating their error.
I’m not being hostile, I’m just pointing out that crossovers are more similar to cars rather than SUVs, which is something that is very relevant to the discussion of fuel economy.
Well, I disagree with your argument about SUV classification so we will agree to disagree here.
I think my issue is that SUV efficiency is a range just like sedans are a range, trucks, vans, compacts, etc. So at what point is it really fuck this type of car versus fuck vehicles that have this specific fuel efficiency.
My entire point was the person I replied to said fuck SUVs and AI. Hey, I get it but SUVs aren’t the problem, vehicle efficiency is and many classes cross over into that “fuck this” point. That’s really the crux of my first reply here was that it was a broad stroke and if you’re going to say fuck something because of its contribution then maybe don’t be so broad and targeted?
That is certainly your prerogative; many people have chosen to group them together. But it does mean that the “sedan vs SUV” MPG comparison is obfuscated by a faulty premise.
I’m curious though, what in your mind makes a Forester an SUV rather than a wagon? Disregard any external labels that others have applied. How you would classify the vehicle.
Great question. I’ve never really thought about that, but I’d probably say size and design (boxy-ish looks). Beyond that, categorization by the companies making and rating them is what I go by.
What faulty premise? Do mid size and large sedans have fuel efficiency and vehicle length that cross into the small and mid size SUV range? I compared them because the original comment was essentially “I hope the high gas really fucks SUVs”. Why SUVs specifically? Which SUVs? No mention of large sedans, trucks, vans, etc.
My comparison was to point out that a singular broad criticism was sort of a weird idea when there are so many other factors.
If you start adding a bunch of caveats it diminishes the fun of saying it.
“fuck everyone driving a giant ass gas vehicle to the point where the avg SUV driver is crying about it.” Just isn’t as fun to read or write. SUVs are generally smaller than trucks so trucks are implicit.
I think if people took “SUV” in this context to mean “traditional SUV” (i.e. to exclude crossovers) it would avoid a lot of the confusion.
So styling and marketing?
Fwiw, the Sonata is actually longer and wider than the Forester, though the Forester is taller due to the wagon bodystyle and a higher suspension/larger tires: carsized.com is an interesting site
Yeah. The Sonata is a fairly big for a mid-size sedan.
I guess when I say size it’s a combo of length and width but also height. Ground clearance is a big one.
A Suburban has a 30 gallon tank, a Ford F-150 has an almost 40 gallon tank. They ain’t talking about your crossover.
My point is they specifically called out SUVs and only SUVs. You are making my point right here that the issue isn’t SUVs but likely size and efficiency of the vehicle. I just thought calling out only SUVs was a weird broad criticism.
Sick flex, Tommy Two Cars
Average tank size for a sedan is like 12 gallons, btw. Imagine that, your experience isn’t representative of the whole. How mind blowing is that
I see. So I’m an asshole for pointing out nuances?
Average size for American sedans is 12-18 gallons. That’s a range, but I do loooooove that you presented the low end as fact. Claps for you!
You’re disingenuously equating your full-size sedan and your crossover’s gas tanks and using that single piece of anecdotal (and completely unrelated) evidence to incorrectly imply that the drivers of sedans are going to suffer just as much as the dumbasses that still drive gas guzzlers.
Subcompact and compact cars generally have 8-10 gallon tanks, midsize cars generally have 10-14 gallon tanks, full size cars generally have 14-18 gallon tanks. The middle of that range is actually 13 gallons, so I was off a gallon. My b.
I like how you limited your data specifically to American sedans to fit your narrative though, despite neither of your cars being American, and despite American sedans not being even close to the top choice for sedan drivers, not even in America.
I’m saying person I responded to made a blanket statement about people owning a broad category of car. I pointed out that there are nuances and taking on particular broad group isn’t probably the right take. Using broad strokes is bad.
I’m not really sure what your stake is in being angry with your replies. If that isn’t your intent, that’s how it is coming across.
I used American SUVs because I was trying to talk about American buyers since this seemed to be aimed at the USA with the mention of gallons (yeah, other counties use it, but come on…we know it was meant towards the USA). Yes, I misused what I was trying to say.
It didn’t come off as nuance to me. Seemed more like you were providing an “um actually” semantic-wordplay type response, like you were striving for technically correct instead of just understanding the (pretty clear) implicit meaning in the comment you were replying to.