Analyses and video evidence emerged over the weekend showing that the air strike on the Shajareh Tayyebeh Girls’ Primary School on February 28—that killed over 160 girls aged 7 to 12—was carried out by the US military.

The girls’ school in Minab is in Iran’s southern Hormozgan province close to the Persian Gulf. The school was effectively pulverized by multiple blasts, and many of those killed were obliterated and could only be identified through DNA analysis. Footage showed bodies and body parts partially trapped under collapsed floors, alongside scattered schoolbags, notebooks and dust‑covered textbooks.

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      Yeah. We might bomb their schools and assassinate their leaders.

      Edit: On second thought… we didn’t bomb Saudi Arabia for 9/11.

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        Yeah, that’s the fun thing about doing the worst shit you can think of on the first day, doesn’t really give you any options after that. We can really threaten Iran with actually we haven’t done.

        Of course that is the MAGA Hallmark: evil, selfish, AND stupid.

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              How about causing lingering pain and suffering on a populace, including children. Theyre not dead (yet) but they suffer for as long as possible until they do.

              Like Gaza.

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              It is anti christian to attack the family of the person you want to kill. That was a founding principle of christianity, to end blood feuds.

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                Christianity was founded because it made it easy for rulers to control their population because they could make people accept a miserable and short life in exchange for intangible rewards later. It is not hard to figure out who benefits from a religious concept that nothing that happens to you in reality is important.

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                  First they tried to suppress christianity, they couldn’t keep the crazies at bay so they rewrote it to be a better slave religion, cherrypicking biblical texts to include in the Bible.

                  That it promised to end blood feuds is also true, even if the birthplace of christianity in europe has long been the most famous for such blood feuds.

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          “We can really threaten Iran with actually we haven’t done”

          What?

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        Also isn’t it kind of funny that Iran had nothing to do with 9/11 and it was in fact Saudi Arabia and yet we keep peddling this trope about Iran…?

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          Don’t forget pressing child soldiers into Zero Units - groups trained, armed, and directed by CIA and JSOC to torture, rape, and kill entire families and terrorize entire villages.

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      Thoughts and prayers? That’s usually what happens when US school children die.

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        The only thing that could’ve saved them was a good guy with a gunBGM-109 Tomahawk Land Attack Missile!!!

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        No he meant like in Ukraine. You know, where it really matters. Russia bad, remember?

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      Given the fact that the rape of more than 1,000 young girls by Epstein and his billionaire friends had no consequences whatsoever, and that the cold-blooded murder of these innocent Iranian schoolgirls, which is part of the US regime’s cover-up efforts, also has no consequences for those responsible, I would say that the US response would probably be to elevate the culprits to government office.

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    Amerikkka: Tired of killing kids in its own schools, now killing kids in other countries’ schools

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    Trump killed school girls

    Let’s not forget who specifically ordered this war to be started. All headlines should start with Trump ordered children to be murdered or Trump is getting people killed or Trump has raised oil prices and people are beginning to starve or Trump closed off shipping lanes

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      He has raped school girls too. I need to replace the pic inside the helmet to one with both Jeff and Don in it.

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      Yes, but don’t give the soldiers that pulled the trigger a pass. They’re legally required to not follow illegal orders. All of them should be court marshalled and charged with war crimes.

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        It’s unclear to me whether they would have known about this. I presume cross checking the targets should be done at each level down to the person pulling the trigger.

        Is it confirmed that everyone in the chain knew?

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          Compartmentalization. They get told “here is an Iranian military target, hit it”. So they do. Asking questions is strongly discouraged.

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          I suppose I don’t know. I should rephrase that whoever knew and ordered it should be in the hot seat. Word is that it was old target data they were going on. That by itself is a failure if true, which isn’t excusable. I’d be interested in when that school was built or transitioned to a school and the age of the data. This may be the result of a pedophile and his hair trigger war drive that meant due diligence wasn’t done.

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        For what? How could they possibly know that it was a school? They aren’t privy to the intel. They are on a boat or a base, maybe hundreds of miles away. They receive an order to fire on a location and follow the order.

        That’s exactly what they signed up for. Grunt work. Following orders.

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          I rephrased in a follow up to someone else’s comment. The people that ordered the strike on old Intel should be charged. There were failures in the process, and those responsible should be held responsible.

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            Yes, they should be charged. But they won’t be charged, because the executive branch is the very branch that runs law enforcement and the military. Why would they give themselves a black eye?

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          Right. They don’t know anything at all about what they’re shooting at all because it’s abstract and viewed through computer screen.

          However they do know that the these orders are coming down from three possible sources. 1. Targeting specialists using enshitified useless AI services. 2. Chatbots themselves or 3. Child raping genocide mongers.

          Which why they just shouldn’t do it. Go to the brig. Sabotage the missile with a fork lift accident. Fake illness. Anything. I don’t care, do whatever you have to do to not be party to this monstrous thing that’s trying to burn the world down so Jesus will come back. And that’s why they are still responsible for it.

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            There’s no “just” about it. They were following orders AND they did not know. They couldn’t have known. The soldiers are given coordinates, not the details about what the structure is used for.

            The Nazis at Nuremburg could not claim ignorance. There was a clear paper trail. Nazis had killed millions for the reason of ethnic cleansing. They did it for years. They kept records.

            Tell me, how are these situations similar?

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              This is not an individual failure. It’s a systemic failure. Americans should pay for this. With their blood.

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              They knew they were bombing an enemy country unprovoked, which is illegal under international laws. I know you’re an american and thus a nazi, and that could have happened to you, but here’s an idea: maybe don’t enlist in an imperlalist force that kills children for breakfast.

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                You got me twisted, my friend. I fully condemn the military actions. All of them.

                But assigning blame to some random soldier? It’s like screaming at the waitress over a menu item. She didn’t write the menu, she doesn’t cook the food, she has literally no power over anyone.

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                  No. It’s like screaming at the waitress who served arsenic to kids and killed 160 of them while knowing full well the restaurant sometimes do that

                  How does it feel downplaying war crime?

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                Nope. Not gonna read a 23 page document. YOU tell ME how it’s similar. Or at least copy/paste the relevant information.

                Second, I’m all about prosecuting war crimes. I’d love to see this one prosecuted. How about we actually investigate it, too? Maybe, I dunno, find out who gave the order. If bad intel was passed. If the leaders knew about the bad intel but decided to proceed.

                Ofc, this won’t actually happen. The “war” is just another distraction, until the next manufactured crisis and the next until humanity snuffs itself out with its own all-too-clever Machiavellian schemes.

                But by all means, throw the full weight of social justice at the poor sap who has to live with knowing his finger pushed a button that killed 160 innocent girls. Beloved daughters and sisters, erased from this world to amuse a demented billionaire’s ego.

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                  You’re a bad faithed war crime apologist lmao.

                  “They were just following orders” “So like the nazis” “No, not like that!!!”

                  Nobody cares about your internal politics buddy. Maybe we could bomb one of your school to bring freedom to the USA

                  But by all means, throw the full weight of social justice at the poor sap who has to live with knowing his finger pushed a button that killed 160 innocent girls.

                  Yeah might as well just hang him. It’d just be mercy killing at this point

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          If you were to throw a rock or fire a bullet, you are expected to LOOK where that projectile is going. You are held accountable for that action even if you miss your target. Only a child is deemed unaccountable for that sort action (up to about age 2). This is magnitudes more important when the missile explodes in a radius the size of a house. So there’s NO EXCUSE for the grunt on any level who pushes the button, and doesn’t LOOK or know where it is going. Are you saying military grunts are to tried as toodlers?!? for the crimes they commit?

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            They weren’t throwing rocks. They weren’t shooting a rifle. They were shooting missiles.

            Again, the soldier who fired that missile would have no idea what sort of building he’s been ordered to strike. That soldier is sitting in a command center somewhere, miles away from the front line, feeding coordinates into a targeting system.

            And, yes, grunts are usually treated EXACTLY like toddlers, especially in military court. That’s why they’re called “grunts”. They are trained to follow orders. They are trained to push the button without question. THAT’S THEIR JOB.

            Now, if a grunt is given an order which directly violates the military law, they can refuse. So, if their commanding officer said “Hey, I want you to kill those 170 underage civilians”, then the grunt can (and should) say “Hell no, sir”. That wasn’t the case here. There’s no reason for the grunt to refuse the order, because the grunt is just targeting a building, with a missile.

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              Can you not see why that is the problem?

              If your commanding officer tells you to fire anywhere, you should be expected to know where that is. Obviously “grunts” should have some kind of visual access to the target they are firing at, so they can decide for themselves if it is a military law crime. Otherwise you are just preforming the Milgram shock experiment with real consequences.

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                I can’t speak for what actually happens, or what even what SOP in the armed forces might be in this situation.

                SO…I googled it. Here’s the levels of complexity involved in a Tomahawk missle strike:

                1. Command and Authorization (Top-Down Flow)

                  Authorization: The process starts with a decision by the President, often passed through the National Security Council to the Secretary of Defense, and then to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Command Channel: The Joint Chiefs convey the order to a regional commander (e.g., U.S. Central Command or Indo-Pacific Command). Execution Order: The regional commander transmits the target information and engagement requirements to the specific launch platforms (ships or submarines).

                2. Transmitting the Order to the Specialist

                  Secure Communications: The order is sent via secured, encrypted digital communications to the vessel’s Tomahawk Strike Coordinator (TSC) or equivalent senior operator. TTWCS Integration: The data is directly integrated into the Tactical Tomahawk Weapons Control System (TTWCS) on board. Mission Planning: The TTWCS allows the crew to plan the route or receive pre-planned, digital target coordinates, known as a Missile Sequence Number (MSN) task.

                3. Action by the Specialized Operator (Launch Team)

                  Mission Assignment: The firing platform’s operators receive a digital tasker, which includes primary and sometimes backup assignments. Validation: Specialists on the bridge/combat center verify the target and launch authorization. Targeting Data Entry: The TTWCS is updated with the new target data, which may include GPS coordinates. Block IV missiles can be reprogrammed in-flight, but the launch command requires pre-defined parameters. Launch Sequence: The operators execute the final launch sequence, which involves the missile being ejected by a solid-fuel booster from the Vertical Launching System (VLS).

                SO, at which point should the crew have refused the order? Where does the blame lay?

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                  Me thinks the lady doth protest too much. Did something like this happen to you or someone you know? It did indeed happen to a couple of my family members, but that doesn’t make it excusable. Growing up in a military city has taught me there is no end to the amount of technical mumbo-jumbo an organization will come up with to dodge accountability for an immoral act.

                  They assist their grunts in this accountability-dodging too, for better compliance (so they don’t go home and shoot themselves). The better part of them choose to drink themselves to death anyways because they know, deep down, that what they have done is wrong regardless of how many loopholes you try and bake in to the process.

                  This is why the PROCESS needs to change. We need to find some way to give them the information they need, the accountability, AND the permission to deny orders without repercussion.

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              Nuremberg defense. They were just following orders. I hope they learn what they did. That’s enough for anybody to unalive themselves.

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        It’s totally up to him, notwithstanding what people he talks to and Fox News tell him what to think.
        He is surrounded by yes men who actually tried to dissuade him from attacking Iran, but still support his every demented decision.

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          Nobody wants to do this. It’s only him. /s

          There is a thing called impeachment. Trump gave enough causes. It’s the majority of the US elite who wants this war or they would remove him.

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          Unfortunately, it’s not entirely up to Trump. Iran isn’t going to back down just because Trump is all* “Oh, jk, lol!” *

          160 Iranian schoolgirls were killed by an American missile strike. Trump is still in denial. How do you suppose that sits with the Iranian people?

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      No thanks.

      The US did this. This began in like 1908. Trump wasn’t even born yet. The USA is an evil empire and needs to be ripped out root and branch. Capitalism has to go.

      None of this will be fixed without a revolution so bloody Mao would be uncomfortable and the glassing of Israel.

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        Oh, my. The US is so very, very far away from a revolution. The citizens are hopelessly outgunned. The police have been militarizing since the 80s, and there’s always the Army/National Guard if things get really wild.

        Further, the people who are most likely to call for revolution are the least likely to own firearms or have military training. MAGA is armed to the teeth - the Dems and progressives, not so much.

        So, I’m afraid you’ll have to choose Door #2 - a slow descent into authoritarianism and fascism. (But at least ICE can provide “security” for our “fair and free” elections.)

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      He’s a piece of shit everyone already knows it. I think less talk about him is better. He’s a tool of the party, this doesn’t end with him.

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    Those missiles could have gone to Ukraine to defend against russian tanks, but for some reason the current US administration said we couldn’t afford it…

    Weird…

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        They also didn’t bother to consider maybe they might need some anti-drone technology before invading the country that manufacturers russia’s drones. You know, like that laser in arizona that shot down a party balloon or something…

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    The only person denying this is Donald Trump. Even the US military isn’t disowning this incident.

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      Not just that. He’s suggesting that it was false flag op by Iran using their own “tomahawks”, because everybody has them.

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        Because that is what Israel lied when they blew up that palestinian hospital and the president thought he could get away with it too. Fucking dumb piece of shit that he is.

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    Americans have done thousands of 9/11 and yet they arent satisfied with their bloodlust

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    According to Iran it was a double tap strike. The girls all gathered in a single location after the first strike and then the US bombed them again around 40 minuten later.

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        Apparently it was due to old intel pre-2015 (when the building was repurposed as a school) where that building was allegedly an ammo depot of the military complex besides… bombing with 10 year old intel, for sure a lack of care for human lives

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          That would be seriously lazy intelligence though…

          No parents, students or teachers in Minab ever posted a picture or video of the school since 2015?

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    The US must demand the heads of whichever evil shits did this. Not the people who were instructed, the people who made the decisions.

    EDIT I’ve been convinced by some of the arguments and then re-reading history about Nazi Germany through to Colonel Oliver North. The people who physically pull the trigger can, in a hearing, be allowed to explain why they pull that trigger. I would imagine that this buries the people making the decisions higher than their neck.

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    Someone pressed the button to kill children, then pressed again to kill more. I am not mad at dt but at that human who pressed the button. Why cant every soldier just say no and kill the one who told him to do the war crime

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      Because soldiers follow orders.

      How would that soldier know that the school was filled with children? He’s sitting 100 miles away, on a boat. His commanding officer gives him a set of coordinates to fire upon. The soldier follows orders, because that’s his only job.

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      The person pushing the button was probably deliberately NOT told it was filled with children but that it was a high value target.

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      In this case, it sounds like the school used to be part of the neighboring base, so the US intelligence was just very outdated. So the guy with his finger on the trigger was probably told it was a military target.

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        The guy with his finger on the trigger wasn’t told a goddamn thing. Conversation went like this:

        “Fire on these coordinates.”

        “Yessir.”

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      According to the survivors it was, they said they the first blast made the principal move everyone to the common room for shelter, and the second one struck and killed almost everyone in the shelter.