Admission came during questioning at Senate intelligence committee worldwide threats hearing

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has started buying location data on Americans, Kash Patel, FBI director, said under oath at the Senate intelligence committee worldwide threats hearing on Wednesday.

Patel’s admission came in response to a question from the senator Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat who is a longtime opponent of the warrantless surveillance of Americans. Wyden told Patel that his predecessor, Christopher Wray, testified in 2023 that the FBI did not at that time purchase location data derived from internet advertising, although he acknowledged that it had done so in the past.

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    They’ll collect all this raw data, release the AI bots to crawl all over it, and soon they’ll have a profile on every American, and we won’t be able to get away with anything.

    With all the traffic cameras being released, they will soon be tracking everybody in real time. Everybody breaks a traffic law, every day. Soon all that data will be added, and categorized as legal violations.

    They will cross-reference everything, and they’ll combine library late fees, bank overdrafts, traffic infractions, mistakes on your tax return, etc., and use it all to declare you a scofflaw, and send you off to the work camps, to be leased out to corporations as Federal 13th Amendment Work Slaves, which they will shorten to 13s.

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      Soon they will have a profile on every american? Uhm like facebook?

      Soon they will be tracking people in real time? Like with their phones?

      They will cross cross reference everything? Like how digital advertising works?

      You are wholly unprepared to open your eyes kid stay safe.

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        I’m no kid, I understand all that. The difference is that before, there was the potential to track with all of that, but they weren’t really using it for much more beyond using it to target us with ads for cheap consumer crap. It turns out, that was the data parasites just tuning up.

        Now they are going to use AI to weaponize that same data, except the stuff you mentioned will only be a fraction of the thousands upon thousands of data points they will be able to collate, and then scan for patterns and keywords. And it won’t be to sell us shit, it will be used to enslave us.

        You are talking about the larval stage as if that was the end result. It’s not, they still in the cocoon, morphing into their final stage, and it will be as abominable as anything in a Japanese monster movie.

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          ahah dude everything you said will happen is happening except a public facing social credit thing. Laval stages of opening your eyes I guess. Stay safe!

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      Kinda like how the “cash for clunkers” was to remove vehicles from the highways that didn’t have built in gps tracking (every car made since OnStar was a thing spies on you and can be located almost instantly via GPS and/or triangulation).

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    This is why whenever I am going to do crime, I just attach my cell phone to my neighbor’s car in the morning.

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    No one is allowed to feign surprise after the 1980s. CIA/NSA/Government Surveillance has been out in the open and on top of it people are just giving their own info away on social media.

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    If you’re surprised by this, you’ve either not been paying attention, are incredibly naive, or just are an idiot.

    This is Palantir’s business model.

    This is what an information economy looks like.

    The infobrokers, datahoarders… they sell to anyone with the money.

    They’re the platform.

    Governments and other corps are the clients.

    But laws, you say!

    They prevent this, this can’t be legal!

    Again, you haven’t been paying attention, or somehow can’t compute that fascist don’t care about laws … they just do things, and dare you to stop them, and that applies to anything.

    We never fixed the PATRIOT ACT.

    We never got rid of the secret, classified courts that authorize the warrants for this.

    It all only got worse, the wound went gangrenous, people just got used to it or something.

    This is the logical, predictable result of ‘but I have nothing to hide.’

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      Their reasoning about getting around the law is that if it’s commercially available, it isn’t government surveillance. And I can’t really argue with that. It’s immoral but it’s not illegal.

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        Well, we could pass a law, or even ammendment, that defines a kind of bill of rights for digital data privacy.

        But that would require a functioning, non corrupt government.

        Which would have required countermanding Citizens United with something similar, a big law or ammendment.

        But nope, instead we have a corrupt system that cannot be fixed from the inside, that now is just openly, nakedly corrupt and arbitrary.

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      I mean I am surprised by this. Mostly because they are having to pay for it. Figured they would have their own way to do so and would be the ones selling the data

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        Then you have not been paying attention.

        Something like the 5th or 6th largest datacenter in the world is the Utah Datacenter.

        Its run by the NSA, is over 10 years old.

        What does it do?

        It stores everything, everything it can get its hands on, via the NSA’s wiretaps/datafeeds from every ISP in the US, and a good number outside of it.

        Their problem literally was that they had so much data, that they could not quickly, usefully, search through it all.

        … Enter the well connected, recently started up contractor Palantir.

        They solve that problem.

        This shit has all been in the news.

        Most people just don’t pay attention.

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    I drive through DC on business regularly, and my route usually takes me past the NSA headquarters. Phone service always drops out as I pass. Every time. Their signal jamming game is on point.

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    Now think about how much more personal data, beyond mere location, they will be able to purchase once all the states have these age verification laws implemented.

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    I mean, sure. Hell, forget the FBI. I expect that intelligence agencies from unfriendly countries probably do. I mean, I imagine that they don’t roll up and say “hey, it’s the SVR and we’d like to buy data X, Y, and Z,” that they use some sort of front company. But if the data’s out there and someone’s selling it, people and institutions to which it has any value are going to buy it. That includes a lot of people and organizations out there.