The cannabis seized from Omar is sufficient to feed the addiction of about 144 abusers for a week.
What the hell is up with this bizarre line in the article? “Addiction”? “Abusers”? Is the the article writer fucking serious with this Reefer Madness shit? What a god damn clown.
Those hopeless addicts are consuming a bit over 3 grams of weed per week. Definite threat to society there.
And of course the guy being executed is not from the Chinese elite, he’s a Singaporean Malay.
No, 1009.1g divided by 144 potheads is 7g. So the article assumes they are smoking a gram a day each. There should be protests about this, and I think the author of this article should be fired, it’s so insensitive.
It’s an Asian outlet. They never really had much sympathy for them.
As someone who has smoked weed for nearly 10 years now, it is addictive and can be abused.
“addiction” used to mean physical withdrawals… now it means weed, television, working out, phones, sex, and more.
Weed withdrawal is milder than caffeine withdrawal for most people.
With 10 being death from withdrawal (like from alcohol), on a scale of 1 to 10 cannabis is a 1.
Yeah, when I had a heroin addiction it kind of used to piss me off when people would talk about addictions to porn and stuff. I’d think they had no idea what addiction really meant. Try going cold turkey from smack. But TBF even though maybe the word addiction doesn’t apply in the same way, it’s certainly true that any compulsive behaviour that’s detrimental to your life is a problem that needs help.
Anytime someone compares those two, you can just point out that people aren’t dependent on porn or gaming. That their bodies won’t shock themselves to death if they go cold turkey.
The keyword being dependency. People use those interchangeably, but they’re two medically distinct things and you usually have both to a drug, but not necessarily. You can be addicted and not dependent or dependent without addiction. The first one would be someone who still wants to use and dreams about it despite having had no substance for years, and the second one is for instance a long term pain patient who didn’t even know what medication they were on but start shivering and getting nauseous as they forget to take their meds, despite them not having any psychological need to take them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_dependence
It’s somewhat okay to use them interchangeably but it would be super rude to talk about how addicted to one’s phone one is while someone is talking about having gone through actual substance use disorder, addiction, dependency and all.
Good job on pulling through man!
Nice to see you left it behind, congrats.
addiction" used to mean physical withdrawals
No it didn’t. That’s dependency. They’re two medically distinct things. Addiction is a brain disorder, dependency isn’t.
If stupid people didn’t exist and the world wasn’t as unjust as it is, I wouldn’t get any withdrawal from quitting weed. As it is, I get quite irate, but I think that’s just my default setting nowadays, not a withdrawal symptom.
Yeah, it did, and does.
I’m speaking of common vernacular, not in medical terms. The common vernacular has changed over the years (as it always does).
Things without (and with) dependency are called addictions often, even “habits”. I see it constantly in social media. The term “addiction” used to be much more limited.
If you don’t believe me, feel free to consult a dictionary.
Medical terms are a different matter. Like the word “retarded”, a word can mean one thing medically, and quite another in common parlance.
Your correction has been corrected.
Your correction has been corrected.
Lol no. You’re just angry I corrected you. “Nuh-uh, I’m actually right, also go and do your own research.”
I have. I’ve also been using the terms for like 30 years in several languages.
Addiction is a brain disorder. Even in common vernacular. Dependence is different. Usually with SUD they overlap, but for instance cannabis doesn’t cause dependency (because there’s really no physical withdrawal) which is why you hear a lot of addicted teenager weeders saying “weed isn’t addictive, man”, because they don’t understand the difference between those two words.
Just because they are using a word prescriptively wrong because they don’t understand what it means doesn’t make it wrong for them to use in that context, descriptively. And no, not everyone who knows the difference of “addiction” and “dependence” is speaking in ‘a medical context’. They’re really not that challenging as concepts.
Feel free to consult a dictionary for what “prescriptive” and “descriptive” mean. ;> Perhaps you should also check what “vernacular” means?
This is what we all told eachother in school yeah, its not that simple though. There are habitual users with mental issues stemming from its use.
Regardless… that’s enough to be considered trafficking pretty much everywhere… and he did it in Singapore?! Nice Darwin Award.
A single kilo?
That’s literally barely the limit of a “severe” drug crime in Finland, and if you had exactly 1kg you wouldn’t get sentenced for a severe/serious/aggravated (“felony” as the Americans would say) drug crime.
Having to go to prison for an amount like this wouldn’t even happen in Finland. Our justice system sucks in lots of places, yeah, and the attitudes towards drugs are verifiably archaic, especially on a social level, but you wouldn’t have to actually go to prison unless you managed to get caught with a kilo at least once a year for a few years in a row, and the chances are that they still wouldn’t put you in as a non-violent offender.
Drugs are everywhere. The severity of the laws only affects the price and quality, not availability. (Case in point, there’s a booming drug industry inside prisons, everywhere.)
That’s literally barely the limit of a “severe” drug crime in Finland,
The article’s about Singapore.
Laws vary widely by country and a kilo is not a small amount (unless you’re a murican troll). Most countries are in the grams.The article’s about Singapore.
Yes, I know. I can read the title just as I can read your comment saying “pretty much anywhere” and afterwards incredulously pointing out Singapore. Meaning your “anywhere” means actually anywhere, and not just “anywhere in Singapore.” Last I checked “anywhere” did indeed contain Finland as well.
nd a kilo is not a small amount (unless you’re a murican troll)
No I’m a person who’s been growing weed for the past 20 years. I once had three large tents, hundreds of grams and more than two dozen plants taken from me. They didn’t even try accusing me of a “felony”, but the basic non-aggravated version of the crime. The production capability I had was about 400-500g/m2 and I had 2.49m2 of growing room plus my balcony. Kilo is a medium amount. It’s not a small amount, no, but it’s by no means a huge amount. It’s one good harvest, grown in a couple of tents (or one really large one but I’ve never liked >1.2m tents) in an apartment building.
Are you aware of the distinction of de jure and de facto?
Because de jure we have quite draconian drug laws, but de facto you never go to prison for drugs unless you’re dealing “harder” stuff and there’s also violence/properly organised crime (which we don’t have a lot of in the first place.)
For instance de jure I have all sorts of rights as a person. But de facto, I was literally tortured by the cops in a jail when they took my plants away. And they didn’t even have a reason to put me in jail in the first place. None of my friends who’ve been caught growing have been taken to jail and the other time I got caught I didn’t either.
Yet the cops kept me in an isolation cell with the lights constantly on while denying me my prescription medication while I went psychotic over three days and drew on the walls with my blood. And that mattress and blanket weren’t there, they took them away and only put them back for the photo.
My point being ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS, even if some laws in other places are harsher than some.
But you said a kilo is “traffficking” almost anywhere. That’s just not true. Especially in a lot of places you actually have to prove the trafficking or intent to traffic. For instance the cops asked me about my small plastic baggies, told them they’re for freezing food. He laughed, obviously. They missed my scale, despite the fact it was literally right on the table next to my keyboard. But… if you look at the colour scheme it’s not entirely unreasonable they missed it.
(and yes I need to clean ik)But to add to that, they also missed a massive glass jar sitting on my kitchen table with almost a hecto of bud in it. Which was a nice surprise once I got home.
I ended up influencing Finnish law since the cops prevented me from filming them and I got that part on video (them taking my phone away saying “youre not allowed to film the police when they work”) and it went all the way to the supremely court.
Anyways, I ramble, I’m aware. I’m not sorry about it though it’s all related I just know most people can’t handle lots of language and prefer shorter comments.
Riiiiight… Claude was it? You pro’lly should get high on your own supply then. Bye.
You’ve had enough Jagermeister, I’m cutting you off. Adios.
Jesus, before the last couple of years it used to be “get a therapist” now it’s all “lol you use LLM’s” to write your comments. Sure I do buddy. Because… … Why exactly? Genuinely? I see about the same amount of reason as using hacks in gaming (only LLM’s would make any non-developmentally challenged persons comments shittier, not better). You wouldn’t be able to repeat the performance in real life so you’d never impress anyone so why would you bother?
Do you want photos of my grows? Can’t really be arsed to go on PC to retrieve older ones but let’s see
Oh and the supreme court thing
https://www.hs.fi/suomi/art-2000009654524.html
Ofc I get high on my own supply. That’s why I grow it, dumbo. Can I please have some more platitudes as bad jokes?
Singapore loves to pretend it’s a modern country with it’s gardens and fancy buildings.
But beneath the surface is an overworked population ruled by a family dictatorship.
Disneyland with the death penalty. - William Gibson
Well… there’s a Disneyland in California, USA… which does have the death penalty.
It’s china with a better passport. There is no freedom of press there.
family dictatorship.
It’s effectively a single party state with an elected dictator, but AFAIK their prime ministers and presidents don’t come all from the same family.
You’re right it’s not a dictatorship like North Korea, but it’s elections are also not as clean and fair as other modern democracies.
The same ruling party has dominated since independence, and maintained structural imbalance suppressing the ability for any meaningful opposition to rise.
While leadership in Singapore isn’t hereditary, the nation has been guided by a very small political elite originating from Lee Kuan Yew.
The dictatorship is how you get the gardens and fancy buildings.
No matter how you spin it thats barbaric
Singapore is notorious for having extreme penalties for relatively minor crimes
“Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meal?!”
Sound of firing squad loading rifles
Singapore - “we straight up kill drug smugglers to death and have done so for 50 years”. Drug smuggler - “I’m sure they’re exaggerating”
Here I am in Canada, Just finished a perfectly legal grow for my own personal use and got 28 oz from it
well I’m sure he won’t ever do that again!
surely he learned his lesson.
I am reading “Singaporean man executed for importing cannibals” and I am thinking “why would anyone import cannibals???”
Challenging to criticize Singapore if you’re from somewhere with monthly massacres of school children.
Two things can both be bad.
Not everyone on the internet lives in the US
My comment was too subtle?
the monthly massacres aren’t government policy. executing a cannabis trafficker is.
That makes a ton of difference to the dead schoolkids.
the article doesn’t say anything about the schoolkids POV on the dead traffickers or maybe you should just stay on topic
This is probably a shock for you to learn, but on a public forum it’s possible to draw conclusions from any source and not just repeat the OPs post.
Good news! Lemme just go to the parents and tell them!
I don’t see what schoolkids parents has to do with a government sanctioned execution of a cannabis trafficker.
There is an active policy of not preventing cold massacres. Hope that clarifies the point.
… and Singapore has an active policy of condoning and committing murder. That’s bad.
I pray that clears things up for you.
Oh dear
There is no official “active policy” at the national level that I’m aware of. -As for unofficial policy, that varies from one municipality to the next, and from one state to the next. Is the Singaporean policy of executing cannabis traffickers not an official national policy carried out uniformly across the country?
Deaths arising from acts of omission can be prosecuted. Doesn’t work with Government given the Amendment arguments.
There is no written policy at the national level that you speak of that I’m aware of. -As for unofficial, unwritten policy then that varies from one municipality to the next as well as from one state to another. Is the Singaporean policy of executing cannabis traffickers not a national policy carried out uniformly across the country?
Not very relevant distinction for the murdered children
not really relevant to the topic at hand.
Not at all. Murder is murder regardless of the country.
How could you possibly think that is challenging? Of course it should be criticized.
Asia pretty much will execute people for importing drugs
“Asia” is a HUGE place, with all kinds of different people, countries and cultures.
60% of the world’s population lives in Asia.
I am currently smoking a joint in Asia. I bought it legally, in the shop down the street.
So…yeah…no death penalty for me.
Savage!
Yet China manufactures a large percentage of the fentanyl sold on the US black market.
I can’t help wondering if this is Opium Wars payback against the anglophones.
Is picture related or not? If so, looks like he’s got a few keys of coke or meth, a key of heroin or MDMA (tan powder bag) and a bunch of bags of pills that I assume are meth because they are into taking that shit orally in Asia.
FYI, The Straits Times is basically a step down from a state mouthpiece. If you don’t believe me, just read the article:
The cannabis seized from Omar is sufficient to feed the addiction of about 144 abusers for a week.
Here’s a Human Rights Watch article from five days ago not flagrantly trying to justify the state-sanctioned murder of a man convicted of an entirely harmless crime. Fuck TST for this journalistic swill.
You think it is harmless, Singapore does not.
You think I think I care what Singapore thinks.
I think Tharman Shanmugaratnam should be tied, blindfolded, and walked into the Port of Singapore over a plank covered in faced-up used heroin needles.
I don’t assume either way. Are you American?
144 abusers for a week
By my calculations, that’s about 18 ounces (144/8, assuming an eighth per person per week).
That’s not that much, as far as international smuggling goes.
Still, it’s a bullshit reason to execute someone over.
If you wanna smoke weed, Singapore isn’t the place for you…
Yeah, I saw that and was like, holy fuck, that’s fucked up. What a fucked up country.
I’ll bet AI did that calculation. Either that or a really stoned person.
Yeah, thats about 6g per “addict”, this will not be enough for 2 days if they are heavy smokers…
In other words, a kg is like nothing. And getting killed for it is the real crime.
Imagine killing a human being for possession of a harmless plant. It’s wildly unjust.
It’s a question about respecting a society’s conventions. When you enter a country, you choose to abide with the laws in place, even if you disagree with them. Singapore makes it very clear what happens to those who smuggle drugs.
Never respect a murderous society, it’s stupid.
…then, don’t go?
While one should avoid getting executed, it’s also fucked up that country does it
While one should avoid getting executed,
Wise words to live by.
Fine people for conventions, sure. You don’t see any mena country straight up executing women for not wearing a hijab, despite their claims that it erodes ‘morality’.
Their country, their law. The best way to force them to change is to not give them your business.
a plant so harmless that someone felt compelled to smuggle it into a country thats known to be extremely hostile to it, ignoring hundreds of warnings, bypassing several opportunities to get rid of it, and ultimately being caught with it and facing the very predictable, very openly warned and expressed repercussions?
A plant that drives someone to do that doesnt sound so harmless to me.
Well that’s only natural because you’re just a random idiot.
People would smuggle chocolate bars if they were made illegal, that doesn’t make them harmful.
So far the Singaporean government has killed a lot more people than cannabis ever did, and for what?
People would smuggle chocolate bars if they were made illegal, that doesn’t make them harmful.
What if I told you a chocolate bar killed my family?
Well I would be lying but WON’T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
wOn’T sOmEoNe ThInK oF tHe ChIlDrEn
(You want to legalize Pedophila)
Where the literal fuck did you get that idea!?
Well I would be lying but WON’T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
Sounds like something that should be said to the stupid fuckers commiting suicide by government by doing this stupid shit.
A plant that drives someone to do that doesnt sound so harmless to me.
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Everywhere that has legalized weed had this same bullshit scaremongering about how cars are going to be running over schoolchildren every 5 seconds because everyone would just be driving around high all the time.
That hasn’t happened at all, so why do you still make the bullshit claim?
Weed + cars doesn’t seem to be a big problem in a state where legal weed is everywhere unlike alcohol.
A great deal of alcohol is consumed out late at night in places one is likely to drive to and from. Almost all accidents happen to people who are plastered not least of which because drunk people get increasingly confident and simultaneously incapable of judging their ability.
Worse drunk people even quite drunk people can reasonably pilot a car which is why most DUIs are given only after hundreds miles of drunk drinking.
People’s false confidence is rewarded right up until they go to jail or kill someone.
Weed rarely produces the degree of impairment and when it does you aren’t going anywhere. Also since there are no legal venues to smoke it you are most commonly at home
In places where cannabis has been legalized, a common side-effect is a decline in traffic fatalities. Weed smokers are more likely to be couch-locked when they’ve had too much, rather than going out driving like drunks do.
Exactly there are no legal places out and about to smoke so people smoke at home then rather than feeling energetic and pugnacious they are mellow and sleepy so they have neither the need nor desire to drive.
As we speak imbeciles are trying to ruin this by developing testing designed to harass minorities on the side of the road and test whether the have smoked within several days instead of several hours. Soon you may face driving while brown charges for having smoked yesterday because testing cannot accurately measure impairment or recency of usage.
so why isn’t insomnia punishable by death or otherwise? That would potentially lead someone to crash a car too.
Driving while knowingly impaired is an offence in the UK.
again, the comment I was replying to said weed should be illegal just incase you dui and I was saying “why isn’t being tired in case you drive illegal then?”
That explains why Starmer has a driver.
Do you chose to take insomnia? I’d doubt that.
But to be clear : I am against death penalty. It robs any chance for someone to change for the better, and even the worst criminal can change and try to repair, even partially, the damages he did. In the current case the death penalty is way overblown. But not everyone would be of that opinion, unfortunately.
I can absolutely choose not to go to bed, yes.
Not going to bed and insomnia are two different things. Insomnia is a condition where you try to sleep, and can’t. Not going to bed, well, is a choice.
In both cases, you can be held responsible if you end up falling asleep on the wheel while sleep deprived, and cause an accident.
In both cases, you can be held responsible if you end up falling asleep on the wheel while sleep deprived, and cause an accident.
But that’s not what you said - you were saying that because people have the potential to cause an accident when smoking weed they should be executed.
If is was the case, I understand better the downvotes. That wasn’t my intention de frame it like that, I’m against death penalty.
What I intended to say is that people who takes substances that impair their judgement, and go drive afterward are a danger to everyone around them. They should be sanctioned, just not by death penalty, which, again, make no sense whatsoever in any situation.
Cannabis isn’t a harmless plant, unless it is a variety without THC (study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9940647/). And I doubt a smuggler would import Cannabis without THC. Smuggled cannabis are almost always THC heavy plants, and considering how much he seem to have with him, he either intended to fly to the moon and back, or to sell it around.
Now, THC heavy cannabis is a problem because, like alcohol, it impair the jugement about how ready to drive one is, and I’ve seen many of my friends get into accidents because they thought they where somehow not affected by THC. My words were harsh, no doubt, but I never called for any of them to get death penalties.
Edit: drug resistance exists, of course, but isn’t frequent. I happen to have a mild resistance to opioid based painkillers (found out after a surgery, worst pain I have been for a long time 😅)
People choose to “take insomnia” every second of every minute of every hour of every day, in thousands of ways.
have such hubris that they believe those averse effect only affect others
TBF there is a lot of variability in how cannabis affects different people. I’ve got a friend who had to quit because it made him extremely paranoid, to the point that he’d hallucinate. That isn’t universal by a long shot. I haven’t experienced paranoia or hallucinations, the biggest side effect I’ve experienced is sleepiness. Meanwhile my friend found it harder to sleep while high because his brain kept playing tricks on him. Very different brains, very different results.
Though I don’t doubt that plenty of people misjudge their abilities while high, just as they misjudge their abilities when drunk. But it’s important to note that it isn’t necessarily hubris that makes a person say, “Weed doesn’t do that to me.” Some of us genuinely experience different effects. You can’t truly know what’s going on in someone’s head unless you’re the one living in it.
True.
That’s just my own experience with my own potheads friends. Some of them who got into accidents because they thought they where better than other, and misjudged how much cannabis affected them.
Not everyone is like them, sure. But to this day I never met someone who act rational when under the influence of drugs. Maybe I didn’t met enough drugs user, who knows.
Singapore is such a fucked up place, yet righties love to act like it’s some utopia.
And yet, it’s very socialist.
Singapore has a long history of anti-communism. As for its economy, it is… very third positioning.
Singapore’s main party (PAP) doesn’t fit cleanly in the western right-left paradigm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Action_Party
Center-right, Democratic socialist, anti-communist, “Communitarianism”
They are not democratic socialist. They even
got kicked outresigned from Socialist International.The PAP was officially committed to democratic socialism from its inception in 1954 until its resignation from the Socialist International in 1976.
In 1976, the PAP formally resigned from the Socialist International (SI) after the Dutch Labour Party had initially proposed to expel the PAP for the Singapore government’s internment of political prisoners without trial, and accused it of human rights violations.[116][117]
I think they were referring to Chia Thye Poh and various other crackdowns of “commie scum” boogiemen. Its worth noting Singapore only became a country in the 60s.
As a result, and without ever facing indictment or criminal trial, he became one of the longest-serving political prisoners in the world. Restrictions on his civil rights remained in force for more than 32 years following his arrest, and the duration of his detention was often compared to that of Nelson Mandela, who spent over 27 years in prison following his conviction for treason, sabotage and other political crimes.[1]
(NCMPs kinda sorta address the issue of a single party system. Feels more like a bandaid at best and controlled opposition at worst)
No organization in any place fits cleanly in the “western” right-left paradigm. Not even in the US that’s the place people call “western”.
and it promotes harmony between different cultures in a way I’ve never seen - you can’t talk shit about anyone based on religion, for example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Singapore
“The Sedition Act also prohibits seditious acts and speech which “promote feelings of ill-will and hostility between different races or classes of the population of Singapore,” and the Maintenance of Religious Harmony Act (MRHA) empowers the Minister for Home Affairs to take a pre-emptive approach by issuing restraining orders against a religious leader that has committed or is attempting to commit certain acts threatening religious harmony.”
it’s a microcosm of different cultures crushed together with little room for debate, should things go partisan conflict tragedies would rapidly ensue; but the restrictions on freedom of speech seem fraught with potential pitfalls…
I look at Singapore like Taiwan - they seem to genuinely try to do the best for a broader range than most, and each face unique ethnic and geographic complexities that they’ve overcome through enginuity and clever, hard working populaces.
But yeah, murdering people for pot… fuck man…
Maybe it’s modeled after Star Trek: Next Generation episode “Justice”
An otherwise nice planet/society with some really extreme punishments.
as mariner said" a planet full of sexy people will execute you for the sligthest crime"
Singapore makes it extremely clear this is the punishment for smuggling any drugs.
This is what the paper disimberkment form used to look like before they switched to an electronic version. I think the electronic version says something similar.
They also make sure to repeat that on any flights landing there.
Once you’re on the plane, you’re already committed.
If they declare them before disembarking, they will likely avoid capital punishment. Still will result in a heavy sentencing, though.
Death to Allegra Geller!
Guess what? If you put up 50 signs saying “Trespassers will be shot!!!” all over your property, and some kid trespasses to get his crashed drone and you fill them full of bullets, you’re still a murderer.
Singapore is murdering people, and it’s revolting. Concentration camps were legal… but we still call it murder today, now don’t we?
Singapore is just as guilty
That’s really fucked up.
