What Israel is doing to Palestine today is exactly what America did and is doing to their indigenous population. Why do you think they’re allies?
Why does anyone think Israel was there first??? Lmfao. Their own Torah says otherwise.
“God gave this to us” isn’t a legitimate argument.
i think most people don’t know the history and just figure it’s a normal country we’re allied with for the normal sort of reasons
I think this is the one relationship where people do know some version of the history.
Even less when they wrote it themselves.
But it’s basically the same argument the USA used.
Manifest Destiny.
Because Arabs came there only in 600year a.c. While Israely were there from 10 000 b.c. Along with other tribes, but not Arabs. But then Arabs made up Muslim and started claiming everything and being cry babis if not allowed.
Not according to the Bible
I don’t believe a book where all people started from Adam and Eva having two sons, one of them died and second one giving birth to more man etc, without women. Where they fucking goats? Also this book is stupidly bloody, unjust and outright dumb.
That’s funny cuz that is exactly what Israel is basing their claim of this land on.
No. You know nothing about tora and their stupid religion. It was king David and Solomon who made this Jerusalem First Great temple, nothing about Adam or Eva. Palestinians claims this land only because they genocided jews long time ago and killed almost all locals. Israeli made a peace deal and lots of sane Muslim joined new country, but others stated their genocidial things and started bombing them.
So no, Palestinians can go bimb themselvs with such an attitude.
What matters isn’t who came first. What matters is that no one has the right to expel a human from a land they’re living in. That is the core of the Israeli Palestinian conflict.
I am pro Palestine, but have no issue with the increase of Jewish migrations in the 19th century. The problem is not Jewish migration. It is the fact that Israel expelled Palestinians from their homes, murdered them, suffocated them, and made their lives miserable.
And this is the same thing that was done to the native people of the modern day Americas.
When I fuck my wife I always come first! And that’s exactly what I tell her.
And the Israelites weren’t the first either, there’s a few books of the Bible about who exactly they pushed out.
This might surprise you but the bible isn’t 100% accurate.
Jokes aside: scholars think that the Israelites were a group of Canaanites who lived as “outcasts” in the hinterlands and seized the cities after the bronze age collapse.
So Israelites came when the Canaanites collapsed but the causality is different than depicted in the bible. Also they weren’t that foreign in the first place.
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I’m not sure why you put “history” into quotation. I was referring to history as in archeology.
The arguments are according to pottery and art in general, linguistics and I think genetics too. The first israelite settlements were in the north and therefore not were you would expect them if they arrived from Egypt. I don’t know if Abraham was a historic figure and it honestly doesn’t really matter.
Pushed out? You mean committed mass genocide.
While one may oppose and even condemn particular Israeli policies or actions with regard to Palestinians or Israel’s Arab citizens, the fact remains that in no way has Israel engaged in any action with the intent to exterminate, in whole or in part, the Palestinian people.
Indeed, accusing Israel of genocide has the collateral effect diminishing real acts of genocide – such as those that occurred in the Holocaust, against Armenians, and in Rwanda.
Furthermore, it is deeply concerning that Israel is often the only country in the world accused by activist groups of contemporaneously engaging in genocide. Not only is this false as a matter of both law and fact, but it also applies a singularly demonizing double standard to Israel.
Finally, claiming as some do, that there are many “types” of genocide, and Israel is, for example, committing “cultural” genocide, is equally problematic. Regardless of how the term is applied, it is clearly heard and impacts a large audience who hear it as the legal term intended to convey the most awful of human crimes – mass murder and population expulsion – a charge that is misapplied to Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Aside from their tendency to murder military aged Palestinians… Sure I guess aside from all the proof otherwise?
Bro there’s no if about it, the un has repeatedly warned the public about Israeli soft genocide.
It’s 100% not the only country accused of genocide that’s objectively and really proved false.
There are many types of genocide, as genocide is an act not a specific action.
This might surprise you but Bible is new book written not so long ago while Israely were there from 10000 b.c. Fighting other local tribes until Muslims where invented and came with all their sadistic hate to other nations and killing infants just like they behave now. No excuses. They need to be wiped out, like Russia and other tumors on Earth.
This might surprise you but Bible is new book written not so long ago while Israely were there from 10000 b.c.
Verifiably no, there’s argument at to if ancient Israel ever existed or of out was a loose confederation like the early German empire.
Fighting other local tribes until Muslims where invented and came with all their sadistic hate to other nations and killing infants just like they behave now.
There’s exactly zero proof of that and literally no one knows who started what or when.
No excuses. They need to be wiped out, like Russia and other tumors on Earth.
Like you perhaps.
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Where is a good place to start to learn about this conflict. I have no idea who is in the right here.
If you want a book, 100 Years War on Palestine does an excellent job going over everything up to 2017.
Very in-depth, full picture of everything that’s happened from 1917 (what just about everyone considers to be the beginning of the modern conflict), including errors and crimes committed by both sides. The author is Palestinian and obviously not neutral, but is far from extremist, and comes at things with a historical/academic rigor.
There are many other books/resources of course, but at least as far as getting a decent idea of what actually happened thus far, it’s a very good history of the conflict, major players and the geopolitics associated.
I think you either mean rigor, or rigeuer, which is short for de rigeuer and more related to fashion rather than academic credibility.
yeah lol edited
There’s an old crash course world history video about it
Edit: Oh someone already linked it.
Neither party is in the right. Israel is a violent apartheid state, and Palestine is large ruled by a terrorist organization. Both Israelis and Palestinians have the right to exist, but neither side’s leadership respects each other’s existence.
The victims in all of this are both the Israeli and Palestinian citizens, so taking a side isn’t really a sound option. I am failing to see anyone who aligns as pro-Israel or pro-Palestine make coherent arguments about what happened this week. The only reasonable alignment is to be anti-war, anti-terrorism, and anti-apartheid.
I place some — not uniformly distributed, only on those that do this — blame on the Israeli citizens that knowingly move into a recently captured area. They’re literally colonizing the Palestinians land. I don’t fuck with colonizers.
I’m curious about how this is done. Do they just kick Palestinians out of their homes or do they make new towns or what exactly happens that is so effective at displacing others?
Iirc they literally just take over some land, forcibly remove or execute anyone who won’t leave, and then they move in and start building. Literal colonizer behavior.
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/8/how-israel-backs-settlers-to-confiscate-palestinian-lands
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Honestly, trying to find a definitive ‘in the right’ of any large-scale conflict is tough, almost moot. Especially since moral values like ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ are subjective, and that small groups of powerful people may not represent a whole. Complex reality doesn’t fall neatly into these ideals of right and wrong.
Here is all clear.
The one who lives civilian and not murder infants and not spending all money on rockets instead of developing own cities and culture. Oh, and not claiming wrong claims, not deceiving others. They are terrorist, lyers and complete garbage just as Russians and Iranians are right now.
Arabs came to those lands at 600 year while Israely ancestors were there from 10000 b.c.
“I’m 1/16th Cherokee”
And that 1/16 is the only part that has a real claim to American lands
No it’s just some bullshit white people tell themselves.
White US Americans. If you talk about your “heritage” in Europe, people will consider you clinically insane and avoid you like the pest.
The Jews weren’t there first. The Canaanites were there first.
Of which the Israelites are believed to have branched out from/are descended from
Zionists are basing their irridentism on the Torah, and from what I’ve read, the Canaanites existed in the area before Abraham was given the land as a promised land.
Something tells me that the Torah isn’t exactly a reliable historical source.
The Cannanite - Israelite connection is suggested by modern achaelogical information which I take as a little more reliable.
Depends which Zionist you ask but ok.
And then slaughtered all the other branches
Got any sources for that? Since I can’t seem to find anything that supports that claim outside of religious texts
If we use that as precedent then we should let them fight with a winner takes all
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It’s very narrow-scope to frame this conflict as just about one attack at a music concert, and furthermore to think that a decades-long invasion, colonization and blockade shouldn’t be compared to other acts of colonialism.
Also, please read the community rules before posting, there are only two of them.
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Very interesting!
So
you’repeople are saying native Americans have every right to kill, maim and rape settler-colonialist Americans? And that they’re all legitimate targets, since they’re all settlers?I get it.
Edit: OP didn’t say that. People on Twitter did. I didn’t separate that. It’s an emotional topic, I have friends who are directly affected by HAMAS atrocities.
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So you’re saying native Americans have every right to kill, maim and rape settler-colonialist Americans?
Where did OP say this? It is a bannable offense so please point out where, as I don’t see it.
I see you made an edit, so I’ll respond to it here.
While no one should have the right to rape anyone or murder innocent people, the only one to blame for these atrocities is the Israeli state. They are keeping millions of people in a concentration camp, massacring them slowly every day, destroying their homes, cutting off supply lines and giving them just enough living resources to experience slow death. They burn their children alive. Their soldiers brag about raping Palestinians.
So then if those people lose it and retaliate, who are you going to blame? Those trapped in the concentration camp and chose to resist? Or the ones doing it to them?
And in reality, despite all of this, Hamas has been far more humane in treating Israelis than Israel is with Palestinians. They protected their hostages, and have a history of doing so. They give mothers and the elderly special treatment.
If you are upset about rape and cold blooded murder, look no further than Israel. If you’re outraged about Hamas, who’s not even a fraction the concern that Israel is, your priorities are not right at all.
Hamas has been far more humane in treating Israelis than Israel is with Palestinians.
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Unicode description says “dagger knife” up their “peach”.
I don’t fucking get on how Israel has never really tried forming a state in which both palestinians and jews can live in peace together.
This is not what Zyonism has done: Now there is no possibility for peace, there are only religious fanatics.
Hamas or today’s Israel, both want to have it all.
Because they don’t want it, simple as that. Why do you think they’ve been illegally stealing Palestinian land and bulldozing their homes for illegal settlements for decades?
They have. The issue is that their country was drawn up, by Europeans, without the consent of the people that were already living there. So the Palestinians, rightfully, don’t want any Israel to be there at all, on account of it being on land stolen from them.
I know a lot of the world is European living in stolen lands, but, surprisingly, none of the rest of the people give a single shot what happened in the last 500 years, they simply just want the intruders gone.
the settlement started before British support which came later. It’s super complicated.
edit: reasonable overview on Wikipedia of events leading up to Israel actually https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
Bastardised simple summary is
- Europeans treat Jewish people like shit for thousands of years
- creates support for Jewish sovern state
- languishes a while but antisemitism gets worse
- in typical European fashion it is decided to just start settling where other people already live and force the existence of a country
- ww1, Britain and France decide they know how to do a middle east. Results show typical commitment to stability and fairness.
- settlement is supported by various and sundry European powers inc German Reich in lead up to and during ww2 because everyone hates Jewish people and wants to foist them off to some other, preferable brown skinned, person’s country.
- after ww2 everyone eventually gets mad at the results of this sensitive and thoughtful plan, including European supporters, neighbouring countries, Palestinans, and many Jewish people. Fear and hatred fuel dominance of increasingly aggressive right wing political parties.
- everyone except the USA that is. Their government has a blast supply weapons after Britain and France wash their hands and claim guiltlessness.
- land grabs and oppression intensifies
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The people under apartheid aren’t accepting their place? Shocker.
Israel will never know peace while they continue to oppress Palestinians.
Israel won’t know peace if they stop either. How did the US and Canada solve ‘the problem’ with the natives?
If they’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t then why not do the right thing?
Because they would get killed by the radical islamists
The “one state solution” is the only real way forward but it’s not surprising it’s not very popular. The Jews would be a minority in this hypothetical country and there are two problems with that:
One, the right wing types types really will only accept a Jewish-dominant theocratic state as an outcome. Everything comes second to that. Even the others feel like they “need” a safe state that’s free from generations of oppression against Jews. There are more Palestinians than Jews right now, so giving those Palestinians any kind of political representation is a non starter.
Two, how do you think the Palestinians feel about Jews right now? How do you think they would behave if given political power right now? I’m not saying they’d all turn around and look for equal but opposite revenge but I doubt they’re happy about all this. Further, do you think the Israelis are going to want to put themselves in that position?
So because of that. while i think the one state solution is the only realistic non-genocidal way forward i’m not optimistic about it coming to pass.
I don’t fucking get on how Israel has never really tried forming a state in which both palestinians and jews can live in peace together.
That is literally what Israel is. 20% of citizens are Palestinian. They have the exact same rights as any other citizen, and representation in the Israeli Parliament.
As far as Gaza is concerned, Israel withdrew all settlers and military almost 20 years ago. Israel doesn’t want any part of Gaza, but the Hamas party who rules Gaza with an iron fist wants to invade and drive out Israel.
20% are Arab, not necessarily Palestinians… but ya, saying they’re an apartheid state is kinda scuttled by, well, the facts.
