Statistic on the news said that 50% of the population there are under 18…
Because they don’t want the Palestinians either.
Same reason Jordan hasn’t done it.
It’s been suggested and rejected.
IIRC, Egypt also sees Hamas as a threat since Hamas is backed by Iran. They aren’t going to do anything to make life easier for Hamas or similar groups.
Jordan won’t take them either.
Now in all fairness they want their own country even though historically they’ve never had one.
That may be the right move but they have to stop acting like terrorist first.
I had a good Palestinian friend who always felt they should merge with Israel and ride the gold train
they have to stop acting like terrorist first.
Maybe Israel should stop acting like fascists.
One does not excuse the other.
That goes both ways.
…that is what I said? Weird that you would effectively just repeat me.
Not everyone is arguing with you. I agree. Is that better?
Every thread on Lemmy the last few days.
The kurds never had a country should we let them continue to be abused?
I see the same solution from the other direction.
IMO the “sovereignty” of Palestine is only as it is now because otherwise Israel would have to let the Palestinians into the democratic process where they could just vote out the settler minded fascists.
A coalition needs to impose the one state solution by force, and only withdraw as a solid millitary core is built up capable of cracking down on separationist and supremacist cells.
Draconian tier protections against violations of civil rights and equal rights.
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We moved a bunch of people and made Israel. So let’s do it again. We’ll just move the Palestinians to Wyoming. We’ve got plenty of space up there.
You know what? Fuck it, let’s do it. We helped create these problems, let’s help solve them. 67% of Gaza’s population is under 24, so any money we spend, we’ll like get back in tax dollars. We can set up a Palestinian relocation bureau and start a voluntary exodus. Set aside relocation into our empty ass states, with some condition that they must maintain permanent residence for 5-10 years in that state. Have a jobs program and generate a great surge of skilled labor. We might let in a few extremists, but a third of our population is already there, so a couple thousand more won’t really impact our status quo too much.
I like the but enthusiasm but not all wyomingers will want neighbors, kinda like some of the indigenous Palestinians didn’t necessarily want a bunch of settlers. Hmm
Not just Wyoming, we have quite a few states that sit empty. Their opinions on the issue don’t matter. They’ll just have to make do, like they expect others to do. Like I said, we’ll make it voluntary for the Palestinians. Those who want to stay and fight the power in the apartheid state can, but those who want a chance at something else can come on over.
I know you are not suggesting that seriously, but if we were to consider that seriously, I don’t think it would work.
Palestine (and more concretely Jerusalem) is considered the Holy Land by Judaism, Islam and Christianity. That’s why the state of Israel was created there and not somewhere else. And that’s why Palestinians wouldn’t receive with a lot of enthusiasm the idea of being given a state of their own somewhere else.
A big part of the conflict is a “holy war” thing about who controls the Holy Land.Fuck religion and fuck everyone in that region in particular. As long as they keep killing each other in revenge for killing each other, things aren’t going to change.
Come visit us in the 22nd century and see how civilized it could be.
I told this to a group of people once and the silence killed me from ever commenting on the situation in a group setting again. A diplomat I am not
🤣What kind of heartless monster do you have to be to inflict Wyoming on the poor souls‽
Haven’t they suffered enough‽
You’d probably see the most success relocating them to the great lakes where arab communities are already pretty well established. Also Queens to a lesser extent, Palestinians in particular would feel right at home in Queens, they’ve got Knaffeh and everything!
They’re from one of the hottest countries on Earth, and you wanna give them even more problems by placing them in one of America’s coldest states, with heat domes and blizzards in the same week, hurricane-force winds and hail that can kill you? (Wyoming)
Wyoming is absolutely beautiful, it’s main downside is that for much of the year its weather wants you dead.
To add to what everyone else has said, why should the Palestinians be forced to move? You’re suggesting the next Armenian Genocide or Trail of the Tears.
Aside from what everyone else is saying, Egypt is on the verge of economic collapse. People are poor and the Egyptian Pound is losing all of its value, even if we do open our borders Egypt won’t be able to provide any kind of support to them.
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Why Doesn’t France/UK/US/Italy/Japan/China/Russia/Turkey or whatever country open it’s border ?
To Gaza specifically? Because it would be wildly unpopular in states already struggling with severe islamophobia problems.
Otherwise, can’t speak for europe and asia, but the US actually would be actively dooming mexico if it opened the borders. Anyone who could possibly help Mexico improve itself would suddenly have easy access to just getting up and leaving instead, initiating a vicious cycle of brain drain that would set Mexico back decades in terms of developing an educated professional core.
Israel’s peace treaty with Egypt after the Yom Kippur War gives Israel control of a 100-meter wide buffer between Gaza and Egypt. So it doesn’t open its borders because it doesn’t have one, just a border with Israel. A later agreement gave Egypt some limited control over the buffer zone, so there are Egyptian guards in charge of the border crossing now, but they can’t do whatever they want.
Open border or not, that crossing is a literal death trap right now.
Thanks for the link, there is a link to another article that details Egypt’s request to open a humanitarian corridor. Good to hear, and answers my question.
Reuters reported that Egyptian authorities have asked Israel to refrain from targeting the border area and to create a safe corridor for civilians, citing two security sources.
Is there a good eli5 on this. There is a lot here to understand and unpack and i need to be better educated. I think in the end it’s a holy war but don’t want to make improper assumptions.
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Listening to a book now. Zionism started before WW1 when the territory was owned by the Ottomans. There have been individuals trying to get buy in to colonize the region forever
Antisemitism was already extreme at this time. It culminated in ww2, but it was already very pronounced a century earlier. Racism theories saw people like subhuman, but they also saw Jews like a different, grotesque kind of human.
I don’t disagree, was this the reason for a Jewish homeland?
Partly I think. I’m no expert. But after ww2 the US and USSR split the world between eachother, so with Israel the US had an opportunity for a vassal in this area. And politicaly the Jews being harassed everywhere through all of history made its case to give them a part of land.
I think that the area was a colony at the time, so it was easier for the west to give a land it doesn’t care much about.
The kurdes would like a solution like this these days I think. But given today’s context their chance is slim.
This is so wrong it’s absurd, it gives you absolutely no information on the history of this conflict. The current conflict dates back to the early 20th century, well before world war 2.
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Ryan McBeth has done a fairly succinct video on it.
It’s very high level and skips a lot of nuance, but you get the idea.
Just fyi, if you’re interested in anonymity always strip the ?=si parameter from any YouTube url you share. “si” stands for source identifier, it is there for invasive tracking purposes, and because you posted this now your YouTube ID is linked with your fluke@lemmy.world account.
It’s easy to strip, and you can strip it even when the rest of the url is shortened by simply removing everything after and including the question mark:
If there are other parameters like a time mark, just strip the part that involves the si=, leaving the t= info, and the remaining url will still work fine.
Just so you know. I did not click on it as you had it; I copied and stripped it before pasting because fuck Google, but go ahead and edit your post now if you care about not having your social media accounts linked to each other.
Awesome PSA, thank you! :)
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Because of fear of retaliation from Israel ?
Those 50% of the population spend all their life being indoctrinated by the Hamas. That’s 1 million kids. Apart from that the neighbors of the palestinians don’t like palestinians very much, how would you set up a program to integrate those kids into any society?
Terrible approach to see hundreds of thousand of children as unsalvagable human garbage, because they come from a difficult environment to say the least.
Just theoretically speaking, do you have an idea how they could be rescued?
And for the record, it was you bringing up the term “unsalvageable human garbage”. I am thinking about solutions, but I’m at a loss.