Context (for those who don’t know): Israel and Palestine
It worked so well when they did the same thing for themselves and Ireland.
Also that whole India/Pakistan thing. And I seem to remember some stuff happening in Africa.
The secret ingredient is running the fuck away before either of them notice.
And the Soviets did the same with Armenia and Azerbaijan.
Or Moldova and Transnistria. Or Georgia and Abhazia and South Ossetia
Because all those countries had lovely relationships among the people beforehand with absolutely no genocide and war.
Really easy to make perfect borders that makes everyone happy.
They weren’t countries. They became countries when the colonizers (and I’m using that term as accurately as possible) lumped together into managed regions and then told them they were countries with their own governments and flags. It was all “We’re going to conquer these people and these people and these people, then put Governor Fitzroy, nephew to the Prince, in charge of all of it with a big army to back him up.” Then they wrote laws and made flags and all the happy crappy stuff they do. Then they lost WWII (because pretty much everyone except for the US lost WWII), and said “you’re on your own.”
They turned former colonies into artificial countries with governments that all but guaranteed factionalism.
There was always war, and there always will be war. But the specific type of war we’re seeing in former colonies is because of the post-colonial situation.
Exactly and when they drew the borders of those artificial nations, they had a strange talent for choosing two or more peoples who would otherwise never have formed a nation together voluntarily, so they still don´t get along today and probably never will.
Are you suggesting we should reinstate the glory of the British empire?
How the fuck did you get that from what you just read??
It always works out fine for them. I don’t know why anybody says imperialism or colonialism are bad or destructive, seems to me that Britain and France and Spain and Portugal and the Dutch are all doing fine. Really weird how maps of their empires seem to overlap a lot with parts of the world that currently or recently experienced a lot of, idk let’s call it “troubles?” They must be dumb or smth
They even had a nice little name for it, The
TroublesFun Times!“Spicy diplomacy”
Well… it shouldn’t be an issue.
Britain has planted the seeds of hatred and bloodshed in the middle east and is now acting as if it has no responsibility towards resolving the conflict.
It is hard to watch the British media coverage of this war acting all outraged and surprised by the violence while being proud of their historical imperial inheritance .
Britain and France are responsible for such an enormous fuck up in Asia, Africa and the middle east, past and present, it’s probably impossible to put it in numbers. The US gets bashed a lot (deservedly), but I think those two were planting something way more devastating for generations to come
Don’t forget Belgium and the Dutch.
Meanwhile, Portugal: “Hey, as long as you can barter, we’re friends!”
Britain is laughably impotent today.
Britain is still one the Hydra’s snake heads in World politics even today
One group was actually living there and the other group moved in and literally ripped people from their homes.
That’s been happening for the last 5,000 years in that region though, since the Canaanites.
It’s not like the Palestinians were the first there.
The Palestinians are descendants of the ancient canaanites. Most of the people in that region never left they just changed their religion at some point. This hasn’t always been happening, in Ottoman times Christians Jews and Muslims peacefully coexisted in the region.
I mean, kinda? They’re also heavily descended from 7th Century AD Arabic conquerors, but yes, many other natives may have adopted Arabic culture, language and religion at that time.
But Jewish culture is also derived from the Canaanite culture, with arguably more overlap. Jewish culture in the region can be traced back to at least the 9th Century BC, with the literal Kingdom of Israel. So the argument of “Well who was there first?” does not necessarily favor the Palestinians over the Israelis.
This has always been happening though. It’s not like the Ottomans took over the region peacefully. It’s been conquered and re-conquered by Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans…
Palestinian culture is also derived from canaanite culture. Arabs are semitic people and follow abrahamic traditions. When places get conquered usually the ruling class changes but the lower class people stay in their homes and just change language/religion/identity. Usually the new rulers don’t try to completely wipe out the inhabitants of their new land the way israel is doing with Palestinians
That’s why I love this video, it explains it very well in a graphic manner:
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6 people deny history.
Someone’s parents never taught them to share.
Obligatory fuck religion.
Yeah, fuck religion
Palestine is not a religious entity, and have been in favor of religious coexistence since the very beginning. It is the Zionist state that is exclusive of other religions by design.
All the yelling of “Allahu akbar” while celebrating the death and destruction in Israel, would seem to be in conflict with your statement.
Not all Palestinians are Hamas…
yelling of “Allahu akbar”
Saying “God is great” is problematic?
celebrating the death and destruction in Israel
They are resisting against the Zionist state founded on genocide and exclusivism. I don’t see that violating their will for coexistance.
Saying “God is great” is problematic?
Obviously
When they’re celebrating the killing of civilians at a dance party, or the beheading of babies, it is a problem. Religion is the cancer that keeps that entire region either at war, or the brink of war
You’re gonna have to substantiate that claim. Show me evidence of Palestinians celebrating “killing of civilians at a dance party, or the beheading of babies”. Without evidence, your claim is to be ignored.
By the way, Israel has already admitted that they faked the “beheading of babies” story. Verify your evidence before responding.
No surprises there
Biden said
No offense, but that’s all the reason not to believe it. “Guys I have proof! I won’t show you but trust me bro, I’ve seen it!”
Saying “God is great” is problematic?
Forgot a “while murdering and beheading innocent civilians” there
Also Britain: Oh good, the UN voted in favor of splitting up the land except the entire Arab League voting against the plan? Ok, sounds good, bye guys, have fun!
It’s like an HOA: The council is deciding how to divide up your backyard between your neighbors. The lawn owner is the only dissenting vote and then the neighborhood wonders why they are being so hostile.
Except in this case it costs you not just your backyard but basically your entire life.
In this case the land owner has been renting for 100 years and doesn’t really care what the tenant thinks.
Also Britain: our troops and colonial administrators are getting killed and attacked by both groups of locals, bye guys, I’m noping out of here!
I do hope the Israel and Palestine Wikipedia pages are doing ok.
Looks like there’s a war
FINE YOU WEIRDO ZEALOTS:
I do hope the Palestine and Israel Wikipedia pages are doing ok.
wut
He posted the same message but swapped the order so that both sides would be happy-ish.
both sides would be happy-ish
LOL
It’s working as intended, the whole Ottoman Empire was split to create manufactured internal conflict.
The Ottoman Empire split after WW1, Israel/Palestine happened in 1948. No one was anticipating Hitler doing genocide in 1919. Britain hadn’t considered a plan to award Israel to the persecuted Jewish population of Europe at that point in time.
The Balfour Declaration was in 1917, and Britain began discussing support for the Zionist project in Palestine immediately after declaring war on the Ottoman Empire in 1914. The idea dates back to at least 1896 when Theodore Herzl proposed it as a solution to the “Jewish question” which, itself, was being asked as early as the 1750s.
I cant believe it, someone who actually knows what they are speaking about?? in my imitation Reddit forum???
Let’s not forget that Britain also ensured the rights of Palestinians in that same declaration, I would like to see them act on that one.
The meme is wrong though and should say WW1, not WW2. The creation of the State of Israel has nothing to do with the Holocaust, all of it was planned before WW2.
Alternate caption: “Zionists smuggling in settlers before the British mandate ended to have enough votes to create a State of Israel as a safe haven for Holocaust refugees, then getting populated mostly by Jews fleeing Arab countries out of fear of retaliation for having created the State of Israel a day early and having pushed most Palestinians out by force”
Wan’t that WW1?
Lol at all of the wannabe thirteen year old edgleords on lemmy who are so confident that they understand this extremely complicated and protracted conflict such that they can reduce it to a single generic cause but can’t even be bothered to look up which of the two world wars is the correct one to reference for their edgy meme.
Lol you’re as dumb as you are a jerk
It’s not that complicated, the land in question has been owned by a conquering empire for the better part of two millenia. After WWII and emipres falling out of favor, splitting it up was decided. The locals didn’t like the jews getting a country and attacked, they lost. They mobilized for round two, and Israel hit first and won again. Since then Israel started giving back land it seized to the respective countries, in exchange for not attacking again. The region has been at an uneasy truce for 50ish years other than Palestine launching terrorist attacks every few years.
Palestinians also contain Christians. Its just the modern term for gentiles in Israel now.
France and England seeing their current new citizens and wondering if it was worth it to fight.
“promising to give two different groups”? You mean the natives and the colonisers? Tf is this “meme”?
It was still a better plan than the ottoman empire had before Britain took it from them.
Yeah, genocide turned out to be much better alternative right?
Either way, the Ottoman empire was on its way out, and the Arabs sought to establish a United state. So whatever the ottomans were doing is irrelevant.
What was that?
Can we just glass Isreal and Palestine both?
