• Someology@lemmy.world
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    If you have a poor quality, low density (often mass produced), ceramic plate, there are tiny air bubbles inside it. These vibrate when the microwave runs, heating the plate faster/more than the food. This is the same reason why some mug handles get hot enough for 2nd or 3rd degree burns in the microwave while others never get the “microwave handle of death”. Better made ceramics will have far fewer (or none) of these bubbles. This is why usually hand made pottery will not heat up like this, while factory stuff that was quickly poured into molds often will.

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      Often is a stretch. Plenty of the cheap mass produced stuff still doesn’t heat up at all. It’s almost exclusively older stuff that I notice heating up these days

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      That’s not how RF works. For one thing, microwaves run at 2.4GHz, which means they can’t “see” physical features smaller than a few centimeters (to greatly oversimplify what’s going on). The miniscule bubbles simply aren’t a big factor.

      Rather, what’s happening is that the ceramic (probably the glaze if we’re honest) has a higher cross section and/or lower specific heat than the food, especially when it’s frozen. It absorbs more energy and heats up faster.

      I would also expect far fewer and smaller bubbles with industrial slip casting (“pouring into a mold”) than manual production.

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        I just know that stoneware dishes that I have hand made and fired ( wedging the air out of the clay extremely well) do not ever have this problem, but the light weight, aerated slip cast stuff from mass market stores often does. It cuts across all colors and types of glazes. It really very much seems to be the density of the clay the vessel is made from, which is just another way to say, how aerated it is. The same thing is also observable when it is a dish I have hand made and fired from porcelain, which is why I’ve assumed it is technique/physical construction and not the actual clay or glaze type. Perhaps instead it is the amount of total vitrification of the clay, which would also affect the density of the finished vessel as well.

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    Every microwave has a specific 3d radiation wave harmonic pattern which determines the power distribution within the volume of your microwave enclosure. Most microwaves are strongest slightly to the left of center.

    If you want to test, put a full plate of mashed potatoes or something in your microwave, without the turntable. After a couple mins take some temp readings at spots on the plate.

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    If the glaze on a ceramic plate has micro cracks on it, it can cause water to get inside the plate, which then gets hot in the microwave. Throw it away, it can grow bacteria.

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        Porcelain usually isn’t glazed and is made from a finer particulate clay allowing it to be smooth and non porous on its own. It’s the cheaper ceramics that rely on the glaze to be water proof that are prone to this problem.

        If your dishes aren’t getting unusually hot in the microwave then they’re fine.

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          No, porcelain is usually glazed, just often with clear glaze, since it is already white to begin with. If the porcelain is shiny, then it is glazed.

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    Twice the time at half the power solves most microwave heating issues.

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      The method I do is first I use a water mister to lightly spray the food, cover it, then heat for:

      1/2 the original recommended time at full power

      1x the recommended time at half power

      Let it sit for 30 seconds.

      Ex: Says to heat for 2 minutes

      1 minute full power

      2 minutes at half power

      Many microwaves have a method to enter two times and power levels at the same time so you don’t have to get up to change the power level.

      Doing this, the food typically comes out pretty evenly heated and without significant dry spots.

      You can buy the non-metal covers hotels use for their plates online or at a restaurant supply store. Last a lot longer than the crappy plastic covers that are sold as microwave food covers. They’re also easier to clean.

      The extra moisture from the mister and the cover with a minimal hole helps trap the heated water vapor which should keep the food from getting dried out and help distribute the heat better.

      Adjust for you microwave power and how transparent to microwaves your plate cover is. Once you dial it in, it should be the same adjustment for the microwave (ex I add 6 seconds for every minute on mine)

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      The whole train to use a microwave is that it’s fast.

      If I’m going to be doubling the time, I’d might as well just pull out the stove or the oven and do it right for just a bit more time.

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        And I thought I was impatient…

        It’s still faster than a stove/oven. You’re being ridiculous.

        Whatever; not my problem. Go ahead and keep burning yourself on hot plates and enjoying food with cold spots. You do you.

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          I’m saying that cooking something for 6 minutes instead of 3 in the microwave is getting close enough that I’d might as well use a pan and cook it in 8 minutes for an even better result.

          If something tends to microwave poorly, it probably shouldn’t be cooked in the microwave at all.

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            Generally… If it took 3 mins in the microwave you’re looking at way more time using the oven than 8 minutes. Doubling microwave time should still be significantly faster than using an oven, especially considering preheating time.

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    I almost always find the solution to microwave reheating issues is to add water before reheating because that’s primarily what the microwave is heating up.

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    [Edit: I went and read a scientific article about this and actually a lot I wrote here is wrong. Basically microwaves work by heating the water in the food by making the water molecules oscillate with the waves. (Ref: http://www.sfu.ca/phys/346/121/resources/physics_of_microwave_ovens.pdf skip the part about how a magnetron generates microwaves and how frequencies are limited by the dimensions of the waveguide if all you care about is how the heating works). It’s not at all the mechanism I thought and my conclusions are all off. This would mean that as somebody pointed out it’s the humidity in the plate causing it to heat, which woukd explain why it happens with earthware.

    The bit about which plates work best or not for me is correct as it’s experimental, as is the thermal conduction stuff because I actually learned that at Uni rather than presumed from what I knew (a totally different mechanism were photons are actually absorbed, which is not at all how microwaves heat food)]

    It’s to with the relative ability of materials inside that microwave to absorb that frequency of microwaves: the microwaves just bounce around in that compartment until they get absorbed, and those materials with a higher absorption ability for microwaves at the frequency used in microwave ovens (“microwave” is a whole range of frequencies and those ovens are tuned to emitting just a specific frequency) will end up “taking” a higher proportion of them (and hence of energy) than the other materials and thus heat up more.

    If the difference in absorption rates is big enough you end up with a situation where one things is absorbing 90% (or a similarly large fraction) of the energy bouncing around as microwaves in that oven and leaving only a smaller fraction for the rest, and hence heating up a lot more.

    You get a similar thing if you put, say, cheese on toast next to a glass of water in your microwave oven: that cheese, which is mainly fat, will melt like crazy and the water will barelly have heated up, because water is nowhere as good as fat in heating up (I believe, but am not sure, that the actual frequency chosen in the microwave spectrum for use in microwave ovens was the one that fat best absorbs)

    That plate of yours probably is some kind of ceramic material with metal particles in it, so it’s better at absorbing the microwaves than the food, hence the plate captures most of the microwaves (so, most of the energy pumped into that chamber), hence heats up much more than the rest.

    The termal conduction between the materials with different microwave absorpion rates that heat differently in that microwave will tend to equalize the temperature over time, but unlike with the fat which is part of the food itself and thus will quickly equalize temperature with all the other stuff around it (such as with the water in the food but not, as in my example above, water in a glass which is separated from it), the food and the plate are only in contact is a very limited area (were the food touches the place) so the temperature equalizes much slower between both.

    Try a different kind of ceramic (in my experience that problem happens mostly with earthware, so try finer ceramic materials) or glass plates.

    In the meanwhile if using the current plates, you can just use a lower power setting in that microwave oven to give more time for the above mentioned process of the temperature equalizing by conduction to move the heat from the plate to the food, spread the food better on the plate to have a higher the area of contact and thus more the thermal conduction for heat transfer between plate and food, or just leave the plate there with the food for a little while after the heating cycle is over so that more of the heat is conducted from the plate to the food before you take it out.

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      I know why this is! It’s multifactorial but the biggest factor is impurities in the plate, especially ceramic plates, that are polar and/or metallic and DO interact with microwaves, absorbing some energy. Since the specific heat (the amount of energy required to raise the temperature of s substance) of the plate material is typically much lower than food, which contains water (which has a very high specific heat), it’ll heat up to a pretty high temperature despite not absorbing as much energy. It remains hot as long as it does as it doesn’t contain much or any water, unlike your food, which also provides evaporative cooling.

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    Personally I’ve found it’s quite dependent on the plate color it’s actually the reason why all my mugs are black. Red and white really like to exsorbe the microwaves

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    The plate is a black hole and the food is a white hole. Thanks for joining my TED talk.