Coincidentally, today I removed systemd from my laptop (Debian Trixie.) It was reasonably easy. I booted from a USB drive into a shell through debian’s “rescue” mode and typed plausible-looking apt commands until it worked. For some reason it didn’t create /etc/inittab and I made a typo when I tried to do it myself, but other than that no problems. Differences noticed so far that a normal user would care about: none. If nothing goes wrong I guess I’ll do the same on my desktop at home this weekend, because why not.
Nothing against systemd, but I think it’s valuable to continue having other options and it was fun to see that it’s still pretty easy to use them (maybe harder if you’re a GNOME user, idk.)
I find it extremely hard to believe that worked, let alone left you with a bootable system, let alone properly working.
You know, just maybe…this whole doomsaying about systemd running everything on a Linux system is a bit overblown?
I was surprised as well. I found the instructions at debian.org somewhat confusing, and I’m not sure if they’re completely comprehensive or accurate — but they were the most useful reference I found and provide a good idea of what it’s like.
Systemd is open source. Its bindings are open source. If snowflake distro’s want to maintain this compatibility they can maintain it.
NixOS is the only thing that made systemd a reasonable tool for me.
I do not like the entire paradigm of how it works.
No problem. I’m drifting away from flatpak, anyway. Anything that’s married to systemd is going to be a problem for an increasing number of people, over time.
Flatpak was a dumb 5 years ago, it’s a dumb now, it will be a dumb in 5 years. Flatpak has always and will always just be a dumb.
Every single time I have to use Flatpak they just end up being an unpleasant experience. Every time I think I find an upside to them, it just ends up becoming an inconvenience.
Even the one big upside everyone always claims makes it better the sandboxing. Just ends up being more hassle than its worth almost every single time.
What The hell are you doing with your flatpacks? I never experienced a single issue with them.
i don’t think it’s out there to say that flatpaks can be a bit fucky wucky, but yeah it’s not some massive issue, they just need to make packaging harder to fuck up
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Looks like postmarketos already put in work to have systemd working in it. That takes care of my concerns there
OH NO, they must be devastated!
Guaranteed absence of flatpak will be a motivation for some to choose a non-systemd distro
Flatpak has been pretty optional on most distros I’ve used. Snap on the other hand…
apt install firefox
Look inside: snapd installed
One of the reasons I’ve been avoiding or actively moving off Ubuntu these days. The snap ecosystem is bloated AF
Omw to switch my arch to a selfwritten init manager /s
Just boot into kernel command line and start your services manually.
Works for me
That sucks for me as a Guix user. I haven’t managed to package a GUI app I’m using from Flatpak so it was a nice escape hatch for me.
AppImages stay winning
Bait for newbs. Gotta love the sensational crash outs 🤣
Why are people using flatpak again?
They’re somewhat sandboxed, likely to be up to date, and it behaves similarly across different machines. It’s nice for GUI programs that don’t need access to the wider system, and it won’t mess with anything else that I already have installed. I guess it would have similar pros and cons as containerization with Podman/Docker?
I get the vast majority of my GUI programs from Flathub. I didn’t know there was a controversy with it, other than just wanting a different way of doing things.
Because it just works, and updates faster than apt.
Everything updates faster than apt, and AppImages just work if that’s the standard we’re going with.
Because at least with flatpak I don’t end up with app files littering my system and personal folders.
macOS’s application format used to be the best. It’s kind of a mess now with half of apps following xdg, some writing to the app folder, some application support and some iCloud Drive.
But it used to be good.
A clean home directory is the best selling point for me with flatpaks
I have an atomic distro, and it lets me install apps without having to reboot or spin up distrobox.
