The IDF Spokesman Twitter account for Arabic has published guidance for Gazans to evacuate along two main roads between 10am and 4pm today (October 14th).
Translation courtesy of @hassanmckusick:
#Urgent Important statement for residents of Gaza City In recent days, we have appealed to you to leave Gaza City to the south of Wadi Gaza in order to preserve your safety. I would like to inform you that the IDF will allow movement on the indicated streets without any harm between the hours of 10:00 - 16:00. For your safety, take advantage of the short time to move towards the south - from Beit Hanoun to Khan Yunis. If you care about yourself and your loved ones, go south as instructed. Rest assured that Hamas leaders have taken care of themselves and are taking cover from strikes in the region. Residents of Al-Shati, Al-Rimal and West Al-Zaytoun will also be allowed to move on Daldul and Al-Sanaa Streets towards my street By At Saladin and the sea
Jerboa doesn’t show the link and the picture together: https://twitter.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1713065991511388610
Fuck Israel for doing this. Displacing an entire population of people. I’d bet money that MOSAD knew about this attack (maybe not to this degree), but expected that it’d give them all the political ammunition that they’d need to fuck over Palestinians even worse than they already have it.
I don’t think they did, at least not the extent of it. It was a massive embarrassment to Netanyahu. 86% of jewish Israelis blame him for the attacks and more than half are asking him to resign.
Shin Bet (Mossad but domestic issues) DID actually warn the Likud party and Ben Netanyahu that the increased violence supported by the Israeli state against Palestinians in the West Bank (Al Aqsa Mosque, Jenin etc.) were going to increase tensions and risk a Hamas response.
They were largely ignored, mocked, or slandered as deep state arab supporters. Make no mistake that this is not only does this war serve Likud and Bibi, but also their long term interests in cleansing the west bank of Palestinians.
Also, Likud and Bibi’s successive govts took multiple policies to push Hamas into conflict with the Palestinian Authority (the actual elected govt of the West Bank) and in turn keep their political modus operandi against Palestinians from weakening.
On top of that, Egyptian military intelligence warned Mossad about an imminent invasion and Mossad ignored them. The Israelis are going to be asking their government a lot of very hard questions over the best decade.
Mosad does not operate in Palestinian Territories
Are you sure.about that? Or are you saying it’s shin bet’s jurisdiction?
Shin Bet is responsible
Yes, it’s shin bet’s jurisdiction
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I’m sure one of the largest and most advanced intelligence services in the world isn’t operating in a neighbouring territory which their bosses have significant geopolitical interests
Idk what to tell you, that’s just not their job. Since Palestinian affeirs were considered domestic historically and therefore the Shin Bet handles them. It stayed that way when Israel withdrew from Gaza
Oh, the point being Mossad vs Shin Bet pedantics.
I mean, sure, but it’s like how people might use MI6/MI5 or FBI/CIA interchangeably. I wouldn’t get too deep about it.
You forgot the /s are the end.
That’s an ominously round shapefile they used to mark the evacuation boundary…
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They wont. But if they did, it would be an interesting political move. It would demonstrate unambiguously that:
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they have nukes (everybody sorta knows, but its never been confirmed)
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they are willing to use them in anger against their enemies (only the second country to use them against enemies)
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they are willing to engage in a first strike (many countries are comitted to not being the first to send the spicy boi)
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they are willing to use them against a non-existential threat (many countries intend only to use them only when faced with, or after experiencing annihilation)
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they are willing to use them on their own doorstep, to the peril of hostages, enemy civilians, and their own citizens/fisheries/farmland in the region
This would be such a radical nuclear doctrine that it would genuinely give all arab countries, and Iran, pause to consider their own safety.
Just to make sure I understand your argument, you think Israel is going to nuke Gaza? In that case, I have a very lucrative bridge to sell you.
The first two words of my comment are “They wont”
If Israel used nukes on Gaza it would mean that the gloves are off and there’s nothing stopping Russia from deploying nuclear munitions in Ukraine or other nuclear backed states to use it in conflict areas.
A change in nuclear doctrine of one state doesn’t necessarily mean another will change their doctrine too. For example, Russia and India have a No-first-use policy, but the US and Pakistan do not; they reserve the right, in their doctrine, to use nukes whenever they see fit.
Russia’s doctrine didnt change reactively when the US switched from ‘massive retalliation’ doctrine to ‘flexible response’. In ‘flexible response’ doctrine, a bit of light nuking is potentially acceptable - not surprising from the only country who has had tangible success from doling out a nuclear spanking.
The UK has a doctrine of first strike ambiguity, meaning that their adversary wont know whether or not the UK are willing to strike first until it starts raining MIRVs - or not.
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if they’re posting it to twitter, hearing in mind power and internet are totally cut in Gaza, this is for YOU to read, not Palestinians.
when civilians are inevitably killed they’ll tell the press that it was “clearly communicated through official channels” and everyone online will just take the IDF at its word.
I think they’ve been dropping leaflets and some people still have access.
Sure, but the act of telling the UN and social media was to make the case of the fabled civilian insurgent when these people are killed, including the ones killed by IDF when travelling along the very roads in the graphic.
I do think they want them out, but for tactical rather than humanitarian reasons.
Lowering civilian casualties will also decrease Hamas recruitment further on down the line.
Fuck the Israelis state of apartheid for doing this. Displacing an entire population of people.
Fuck the terrorist organization Hamas, slaughtering innocent people in their homes. Also fuck the terrorist organization Hamas for not lifting a single finger to care for their population who elected them in democratic elections. Fuck them for not only not defending them - but actively put them in danger, starting a conflict with Israel then hiding in civillian homes and preventing those citizens from fleeing a war zone.
Idf needs to get the fuck out of Palestine before the rest of the world figures out that we collectively fucked up in 1948 and rectifies the situation.
You know. With the same methods they use today.
Here’s approximately how long it would take to traverse from inside the city to outside the circle + eventually extra traffic: https://i.imgur.com/aZxkGlt.png
Except you have a million people trying to do the same, that’s extra extra extra taffic
Because everyone has a car and driving through rubble is no problem. Especially with a million people who do not have electricity, fuel or food.
When Israel were under attack, the entire country joined together and helped people evacuate from their destroyed homes. Also the military and security forces. Not saying it’s easy, but it certainly is doable if Gaza was a functioning society. Sadly, it’s not.
I take no position, if this is good or bad. I have my opinion but I don’t want any arguments with either side, so I just posted objective facts.
I was just curious on the distance and figured other people would also want to know.
Your link is assuming more or less perfect conditions, right now probably some of this road is destroyed and completely packed with people, livestock and what not.
Yeah, obviously.
I just checked just now and it still alright fine, but that doesn’t matter when Israel bombs the “safe” route anyways: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67108364
Maybe google’s congestion tracking doesn’t work well there, dunno.
This would only work if people are using their phones for navigation, considering that electricity and fuel are short, I don’t think many people were keeping their phones switched on.
terrible time to assume they are using cars
Right? How can they afford a car if they can’t even afford food and are unemployed.
no fuel, no power, no food, no water.
Thanks for sharing. I wonder what the walking estimate is and driving with traffic.
The walking estimate is around 5 hours
If you’re a healthy adult and not bringing all your remaining possessions, your elderly parents and your children.
Yes obviously, that goes without saying.
It’s a walking estimate and those obviously assume that you walk at an average constant pace for 5 hours without slowing down (or up) or stopping.
The estimate isn’t for estimating how long it will take them. It’s for getting an idea on how far it is. Then you can estimate time on your own, with variables such as children, bringing your stuff, etc.
It’s a lot easier to visualize the distance if you have an estimate of what it would take you, compared to a fancy map with no scale or anything.
Thank you! I can’t imagine being in that situation.
Of course they extend the evacuation order. They know it isn’t feasible for a million ppl to evacuate in 24 hours. They’re not savages like Hamas, and fear for innocent loss of life. They do give unreasonable orders so people will act quickly, because boy oh boy are they about to attack.
It would help if the IDF drove some civilians that have mobility issues or arranged shelters for people to stay in.
Also if every hospital is at capacity, where do the patients in the north side go? I hope the IDF doesn’t blow them up.
Gaza, is not controlled by the IDF, it is fully free, sovereign, and governed by Hamas. The IDF cannot drive people around, it’s not their territory.
The IDF can not simply go there, Hamas wound instantly open fire.
