• Wander@sh.itjust.works
        331·
        3 months ago

        Self inflicted. Self inflicted! What? The fucking English did it through domination.

        Self inflicted.

        Of course the English banned it in school look up Welsh not.

        The fact that Wales was conquered by England so long ago and the language and culture still exist is a miracle.

            • onlinepersona@programming.devEnglish
              24·
              3 months ago

              How long have Welsh people have internet? How many Welsh people have and had the means to archive the language, maybe even try and popularise it? How long was the Welsh government held back from (and probably they were) from teaching it a schools? Did nobody have the chance to create free, accessible Welsh courses for anybody to access? How many Welsh people that could speak it made an effort to teach their kids and others?

              There are options to keep language alive. I can understand it being wiped out (many examples and ways to do so), but if it survives and the people speaking it don’t make an effort to spread it, modernise it, and adapt, then it is also self-inflicted. Look at the Baltic countries. Estonia tries to keep up with the times and allows the population to vote on Estonian words that should enter their dictionary instead of the anglicised ones.

              • d00ery@lemmy.world
                4·
                3 months ago

                There was a suppression of the Welsh language in schools up until fairly recently.

                Now this has been reversed and Welsh is taught in schools, some state run schools are primarily Welsh language, and there are rules for government bodies to provide Welsh language documentation and signage.

                There’s also courses, tv and radio channels.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Not

                • onlinepersona@programming.dev
                  2·
                  3 months ago

                  Thank you for the information.

                  Reading up on it, it looks like the practice ended around the beginning of the 20th century

                  However, there is no written evidence of the practice being used after 1900.[43]

                  The Wikipedia article on Welsh doesn’t go into any detail about its suppression beyond that time. It took Wales about 100 years (Act in 2010) to establish Welsh as a nationally recognized language. That’s why I was asking the questions. What happened in those 100 years for Welsh not to develop?

                  Regardless, the language is listed as “vulnerable” but numbers are picking up again. Since there aren’t that many Welsh people in existence, I imagine the max number of speakers is quite limited. For the number of C programmers to drop below it, it’ll probably be another 50-100 years. If ever.

              • AlfalFaFail@lemmy.ml
                2·
                3 months ago

                I don’t see how not doing the healing work for the wound is the same as self inflicted.

                All of those are questions are good historical questions that provide historical insight to the conditions that prevented this restoration of Welsh being as wide spread. But you write them as accusations, not as points for insight.

                And the wounds, while similar, are much older in the case of Welsh which means it could be harder to organize people to do the healing work.

                It’s very odd to me that you think this is self inflicted and that people aren’t doing the healing work. Why are you so sure? I’m assuming you’ve looked into it.

                • onlinepersona@programming.devEnglish
                  22·
                  3 months ago

                  Why do you think I’m sure? Do questions assert certainty?

                  You write as if you know what happened and why Welsh is dying out. Answer the questions then instead of whatever moral grandstanding you’re doing.

  • Diddlydee@feddit.ukEnglish
    41·
    3 months ago

    I’m just scrolling by and saw the Welsh. I know none of the others, so by a process of elimination, I know them all.

    • VeganBtw@piefed.socialEnglish
      29·
      3 months ago

      Assuming the question implies an inclusive OR, I know all the answers too : True, True, True, True, True, True, True, True.

  • crapwittyname@feddit.uk
    19·
    3 months ago

    Cwtch is one of my favourite words. Pronounced like “clutch” without the L. It means hug.
    “Give us a cwtch ye daft old sod” ❤️

  • Codpiece@feddit.uk
    17·
    3 months ago

    Ah yes. A language forced onto unwilling participants by people who still think it should relevant in the modern age. And the other one is a Celtic language.

    • Artemis_Mystique@lemmy.ml
      15·
      3 months ago

      C will be relevant till the heat death of the universe. if humanity ever dooms itself back to the stone age, all it would require is some bloke to invent a rudimentary binary computer and some nerd to write a basic C compiler for it, humanity will doom itself again in less than 50 years.

    • calcopiritus@lemmy.world
      11·
      3 months ago

      Unfortunately, it’s the only sane cross-language ABI option there is.

      C++ is a close second, which is mostly because C++ uses the C ABI wherever it can.

      Even if the language itself is obsolete, it will live on for many more years just because of that.

  • DrinkMonkey@lemmy.ca
    5·
    3 months ago

    Mwyn is a Super Furry Animals album, and I believe the biggest selling Welsh album of all time. Y Teimlad is a real tear jerker. Cwytch is a cuddle. Heard Nigel Owens say it to two misbehaving players during a rugby match once.

    The rest I dunno…

  • jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works
    3·
    3 months ago

    “How green clean was my valley code base then and the code base of them that have gone. Before the technical debt heap rose up, burying everything in its path.”

  • RebekahWSD@lemmy.world
    2·
    3 months ago

    I only know cwtch because I’ve seen it in a book somewhere. The rest I’d have to guess at with a shakey knowledge of how Welsh…looks I guess lol