Like was it a meaningful debate or a flat out flame war? And what was the main theme you were arguing over?

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    Sigh. That under Swedish law, it’s entirely probable that Julian Assange did rape that woman (reddit fanbois are a special kind of special).

    That Elon Musk is not a real-life Tony Stark, but is in fact a slightly autistic narcissist who insists on inserting himself into the public eye and has an excellent PR team (reddit fanbois are a special kind of special).

    That covid is real, and is bad, and is in fact deadly; and that vaccines are good, not a government conspiracy, and may save not just your life, but the lives of your families and friends.

    Probably one of those three.

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      Sorry, I don’t know much about Assange but how can it be probable he raped someone “under Swedish law”? Do you just mean Sweden has different definitions for rape and that he might have done something fitting one of those definitions (but we cannot be sure of it because of lack of evidence)? Or something else I’m missing?

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    If lemmy counts as social media in the context of this question: In one direction it was meaningful, but all I got back was flaming and brigading. But I’m sure they are convinced I have it the wrong way around. I was calling out a tankie for being objectively wrong in their statements, and that their defense of stalinism was stupid.

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        I think as many people as possible should be as well off as possible, with as much freedom as possible, at the expense of as few as possible. I dare you to challenge this standpoint. Sure, how we weigh and balance each of those is up for debate (A debate I am sure neither of us are interested in participating in), but as an outline, I find that only weirdos object to the premise as a whole.

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    Buying a Pixel to install GrapheneOS is not the only reasonable alternative to mainstream Android.

    Each person has their own threat model. My priorities will be very different from a journalist in China, a whistleblower, or even my own mom. Some are more at risk of ransomware and a device with root is risky. For myself, I’d incur that risk as a power user and would rather my phone can be backed up so I don’t have to worry about it breaking. GrapheneOS devs/followers believe that security is the only thing you must ever want, nothing else matters, and everything else is irrelevant, as though Google or street thugs will come to your house and exploit your bootloader if you don’t give them data voluntarily. They just don’t realistically question the statements the project makes, like what threats are worth mitigating (ubiquitous tracking? Who cares, I’ve got security patches and a locked bootloader!) and what options they’re giving up by using GrapheneOS that’s about as locked-down as the average Samsung phone. The marketing game is super strong because it’s hard to argue against at scale: everyone’s situation is different and “don’t you want to be safe?”

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    I would say it’s mostly topics I’m not actually arguing about.

    I tend to point out false statements or false assumptions. I do it regardless of the topic or my position on an issue, but usually it’s taken as general opposition to whatever the person was saying. So they call me a shill or demand that I prove a ridiculous point of view they imagine I must hold. It’s like only The Enemy is expected to care about the accuracy of what The Right Side says.

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      I always hate when someone I agree with makes a stupid argument. Then if I point out their bad argument, I look like I’m agmrguing the other side

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        i hate it when someone argues with me by telling me i made a stupid argument by making a stupid argument.

        usually my falsely attributing a fallacy to me, which they themselves perform in their counter-argument.

        and then they basically go ‘no, you were illogical first, if you don’t admit it you are stupid and I am smart’.

        OK, really big-brained logic there.

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    That historical events can be approached and assessed without contemporary extrapolations. But to boil down years of internets, including old ezboard forums, I’d say it’s been over the Clean Wehrmacht theory/myth.

    I used to be really into WW2 history communities and I would routinely approach things objectively and piss a bunch of nerds off who pervert history and just want to obsess over how Hitler could’ve won.

    So I have argued far too much with people who hate Hitler just because he lost the war to Stalin. Like, primary sources would mean nothing. I’d have correspondence transcripts from commanders and diplomats, and they’d have their latest Hearts of Iron game run.

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      those folks aren’t interested in history, they are interested in fantasy.

      for a lot of folks, that’s all history is, or why it’s fun, it’s the fantasizing about it. It’s not the boring staid work of a true historian who is looking at boring crap like cargo manifests to piece together the reality of history.

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        They’d sure extrapolate into conclusions for contemporary society and modern politics from those fantasies, which was the usual source of contention to start arguing.

        For some reason they’re ceded the right to call what they’re doing history and not fantasy. Hence things like the Clean Wehrmacht theory become more than fantasy to folks.

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    Right here on Lemmy, someone argued with me for weeks that the mathematical conventions on order of operations can be proven, and that all calculators obey them. You can find calculator manuals with explicit examples that don’t obey the conventions, and as a one time mathematician, his attempts at proofs are pathetic. Anyone who persists with him no matter how polite, will be faced with rudeness and condescension.

    I found the guy on Mastodon where he peddles the full suite of common mathematical wrongness (he thinks 0.999… ≠ 1) and recently he tried to do an inductive proof in an “educational” thread and got completely schooled by someone else. He was unable to understand that he was wrong.

    He claims to be a maths teacher, but his ability ran out at school and he’s to arrogant to realise.

    • TheOrcWhoWrites@lemmy.worldOP
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      Mathematics will always fascinate me. I am too wise to argue with experts on it. I am not that naive. I love the YouTube channel Numberphile. It really kept my attention better than “college math” lol.

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      Being cursed with a memory good enough to recall some of my math teachers, I’m absolutely willing to believe that someone as comically incompetent as you describe could be a math teacher.

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        i had a horrible math teacher for two years in high school. there are tons of awful teachers out there who know nothing about what they are teaching… they are just doing a rote job and teaching blinded from the same textbook for decades on end.

        about 80% of the teaching staff at my high school were of that ilk. They just wanted an easy boring rote stable job and they got summers off to party/travel… and I meet teachers who basically say this is why they wanted to teach.

        I think I had like 3 teachers in secondary school who actually knew what they were teaching.

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    That women should have the ability to give informed consent at a doctor’s office.

    I’ve had to argue for decades that birth control shouldn’t be held hostage until women submit to a pap smear.

    It’s flat out unethical to hold a prescription until a patient does an unrelated screening, no matter how good your intentions are. It’d be like doctors withholding Viagra until a guy got his prostate checked annually. Yes, it’s a good idea to do cancer screening but no one should be coerced into any medical procedure against their will, especially such an intimate and invasive one. This only happens to women.

    And yet you’d think I told them they should skin their new puppy alive. The amount of vitriol and even sexual harassment I got for maintaining this was mind blowing. And it was always from other women. I was told I’m a little girl, or not a “real” woman like it’s some sort of twisted right of passage.

    I wasn’t debating that the exam doesn’t save lives or that people should stop having it done, just that women should have a choice and not be coerced - that it should be treated just like colonoscopies in that it’s entirely voluntary.

    It hasn’t been that big of an issue in recent years. But early 2010s holyshit you’d think women didn’t think that they should have bodily autonomy (and a lot of this was coming from fellow pro-choicers!).

    This was a thing in the southern US. I know the North half of the country wasn’t as insane.

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    Probably 15 years since I had more than a 5 or so back and forths about anything. I lose interest and just stop replying.

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      for sure. i got several comments removed for being anti-semetic, and anti Palestinian.

      they were comments in sequence citing statistical facts about the situation. which we not convenient to either’s side being absolute good vs evil narrative.

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      i started avoiding those threads, prior to lemmy, because people were getting bans, or temp bans, especially because it resulted in large purges.

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    I honestly don’t remember. I generally end convos if they are not being productive or have the chance of being productive.

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    People that believe all that ghost shit on YouTube is real. It’s basically boomers and religious tards with a 3rd grade education that don’t understand how easy it is to edit video for the average person. They all comment “May Christ protect you” and other crap like that. While these people pump out an episode every week like clock work where they’re possessed, attacked, or some other BS. Best part is when they go “we almost died” over and over, because name one person on a paranormal investigation that died that isn’t an obvious natural cause.

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    I used to go out of my way to argue with people on Facebook about vaccines and about representation of minorities in media. I liked to yell at antivaxxers and bigots