The dumbest part is: it is perfectly legal to make a gun for 99% of Americans. The entire ‘ghost gun’ attack angle is doomed to failure.
And it isn’t just 3D printing; the New York bill includes all computerized manufacturing; it very explicitly includes CNC machines, for example. They are taking down entire manufacturing sectors to go after an unwinnable goal.
I remember when the news talked about ghost guns that they’d always bring up this CNC machine that would build AR lowers, the part that is legally “the gun”. I’m pretty sure it was the ghost gunner.
I read into it and got on forums. There was a poster who bought the machine and, because of legal reasons, had to get his friends to come push the start button so that they were making their own guns and not the poster making guns for others. Apparently, he got visited by the ATF, but basically got told he’s walking a fine line.
I can make my own ghost gun with a hand drill and a template you can buy online. a motivated person will always be able to find a way to do things, but its actually easier to just find someone to sell you a cheap illegal gun if you’re gonna commit a crime than to go through the whole trouble of building one yourself.
You can’t actually print a working gun out of plastic, you need metal parts. People think 3D printers are Star Trek replicators.
I saw a YouTube vid on 3d printing guys building glock based guns. Anything that actually took pressure (barrel, springs, extractors, etc) were store bought metal parts.
well duh. There’s a reason guns are made of metal.
I dunno why they don’t just outlaw manufacturing your own firearms without a license…
They would prefer to outlaw manufacturing anything without paying rent seekers.
The don’t want to send a case to the Supreme Court that would rule on the side of homemade firearms.
It’d probably be wildly unconstitutional?
Nothing in the Constitution about who can or can’t construct firearms. Not that anyone cares about The Constitution anymore.
Donald Trump holding government office in USA is wildly unconstitutional too.
Its not like I can’t buy a mill press and caliper and make a lower. I already have the jig that makes it even simpler.
With the gig all I need is a hobby drill press.
Amazing how they ISPs can just block sites based for states and how sites can block certain areas but these rulings their location jurisdiction.
I like how now all of a sudden we forgot that you can make a gun out of hardware store plumbing… this seems like an intentional way to make sure that people can’t make things without paying the oligarchs. I think the fact that we are getting close to being able to make 90s level tech in garages is scaring the tech bros.
this seems like an intentional way to make sure that people can’t make things without paying the oligarchs. I think the fact that we are getting close to being able to make 90s level tech in garages is scaring the tech bros.
Nah, I suspect it’s a way for the politicians to look like they’re doing something about gun violence without, y’know, actually doing anything about gun violence. Or just generally to distract from what they’re doing on other issues. “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain” stuff.
Realistically, it’s both.
Seems like bullshit when you can make a more reliable firearm from leas that $20 in parts from any hardware store.
Also “ghost guns” are perfectly legal in the US.
I wonder what the true reason for them attacking 3D printing, home CNC, etc. is…
Too many people are coming up with ways to repair or enhance items that don’t enrich the OEM.
These laws are the DMCA of the physical world. This is stage 4 malignant capitalism, where they claim their true dominion over us all.
Play by the rules: You exist, they make money off your existence, nothing changes.
They’re doing this because the number of self-created guns recovered from crime scenes has increased significantly over the last five years. I made a video about it recently, if anyone’s bored.
Calling it a ‘crackdown’ is a little silly though, and just the kind of overdramatic bullshit one would expect from American gun nuts.
It’s two state-level laws that aren’t even fully in force yet, and won’t work anyway, thanks to US gun law being a patchwork of fifty different fiefdoms’ opinions, many of which are unilaterally unenforced by local sheriffs on purpose anyway. Hell, guns are so absurdly legal in my state that they keep coming up with ways to make them extra-legal so that the gun lobby will keep the bribes flowing.
ThewhyThen why haven’t the famous “saturday night specials” closed all the hardware stores?It’s a mystery for sure…
Its not about the guns.
Its about making sure you can’t replace that little plastic part that broke, requiring you to buy an entire new item.
I fixed a bread machine with an Ender-3 once. And then a machine that was destined for the trash lasted for a few more years, all the while making loaves of bread that I didn’t have to buy from the store.
If you’re in America, I think this makes you a terrorist.
Not yet but give it time. Causing the Line To Go Down will be a felony.
I’m sorry, but while I have no plans to print one, if I ever buy a 3D printer, I will make damn sure that it can print one.
I would not spend my money on a borked machine that would control what I print.
Agreed, they start the lock down with “Its for the Children” so they can control the printer. Then the next is, that widget/doohickey is patented and you cant print it.
And lets be real you know this lock down will spit out all kinds of false positives basically making it an expensive brink…
Oh and you know all will have to have an internet connection to operate.
That would be as useless as a BMW turn signal.
This is all part of technology enclosure.
The goal is that you will only be able to use technology in the service of the oligarchy.
Take care of your old systems with unlocked motherboards, you’ll need them.
Seems like a stupid thing to go after considering Americans have been killing themselves with guns before 3D printers were widely available.
This has nothing to do with guns.
They want to install software blocks that makes sure no one prints copyright figures or DIY replacement parts, while watching printers for unique IP to steal.
Today, 100% of things being designed are fast prototyped in plastic with 3D printers.
Not sure why the printing community is worried now, when AutoCAD has been forcing designs to their cloud servers for a decade, which is about IP theft.
It’s basically at the thought-crime level of threatening, although a bit more real. More importantly, it’s an excuse industries that are threatened can lock on to so they don’t have to worry about low cost alternatives. A metal rod and some gunpowder = ghoster gun.
People have made guns in prisons.
This is a fucking joke.
I can make a gun out of a pipe, a nail and a rubber band. Home made guns aren’t anything new.
We need to ban hardware stores. For the children.
We need to ban hardware stores. For the children.
This is literally the endgame for fasc-flavored feudalistic capitalism.
No tools, only products. No ownership, only leasing.
At least for common folk. The Aristocrat trillionaires obviously have royal blood that makes crops grow and current run through PCBs, therefore rules don’t apply to them and they get to have anything they want while everyone else is a slave.
Ghost guns cannot be made entirely from consumer grade 3d printable parts, they require machined components such as firing pins and barrels so that the gun would fire reliably.
If this was about safety, why not police the purchase of said components?
Because it’s not about safety. It’s about making sure that you have less control. And especially so you can’t create or repair the things you own. Because that would be harmful to the capitalists in charge.
Why do you think cars have gotten more and more complex over time and you’re not allowed to repair them?
I find it quite hard to believe it would be able to detect innocuous, dual-use, off the shelf components spread out over a dozen prints.
Even US export controls can’t prevent that, only delay and cause irritation.
it would be able to detect
“It” doesn’t have to be any good at it:
https://blog.princelaw.com/2009/07/08/nfa-and-constructive-possession-myth-or-reality/
you can download gun breakdown files online for use in videogames, you can even crack games that already exist with those files present. you can also just model them yourself for free in blender. theres literally no way to stop literally anyone from making their own guns. the unabomber made one in his shack with spare parts and basic tools decades before 3d printers were a thought in the publics minds.
if there is a will, there is a way
Unabomber made bombs, it’s in the name.
They should outlaw nuts and bolts. They are used in production of a lot of destructive items.
Also, certain metals.
quietly
What, no way, who ever could have seen that coming?
