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As a reminder, Brave was created by the guy who brought you JavaScript and was later fired from Mozilla for donating to hate groups. Brave also profits from multiple forms of fraud including NFTs and affiliate hijacking.
If folk want to have a chromium-based browser made by a company, take a look at Vivaldi instead
(which will keep the old plugin architecture, so adblockers work). It has a limited built-in blocker and extra features, but for now still runs uBlock.Vivaldi is what I use, and it’s absolutely the best Chromium browser I’ve ever tried.
That said, I’d switch to Firefox in a heartbeat if it could duplicate that sidebar. I use that thing all the time, and it’s the only thing keeping me on Chromium.
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Try it out. It’s a sidebar that allows you to put all kinds of websites and tools in small pop-out windows.
A less visually appealing, but much more powerful version of the opera chat sidebar.
I’ve tried to get something similar in Firefox, but nothing comes even close.
Built-in functions >>> addons any day of the week.
(cfr mouse gestures)
i fucking love vivaldi’s mouse gestures.
whenever i use firefox i end up constantly opening the inspector view like an absolute moron
opera chat
…whut? (I haven’t had opera since the buyout)
Yeah, no. I should have put some hyphen I guess.
Opera chat-tabs. Opera has a sidebar for chat clients (eg messenger, WhatsApp, telegram,…) built-in. It works really well and is prettier than the Vivaldi implementation. Still sticking with Vivaldi though
Cool! Thanks for explaining =)
Before the buyout, I think you could use it as an AIM/ICQ client.
It’s a thin, persistent bar on the left side of the page with tools and shortcuts. By default, it’s where you find bookmarks, history, downloads and things like that, but you can also add custom websites to it as well. They pop out either over or alongside the main window (depending on whether the pin button is pressed), and they display the mobile webpage when available, to be more usable in such a small window. It’s how I use Discord and Mastodon.
Firefox fork with features like the sidebar, vertical tabs, and more. It’s a vivaldi-like gecko browser, give it a shot.
I just switched to floorp from firefox, it’s so nice to finally have another choice for a non-chromium browser with a reasonable number of plugins
Floorp is built on Firefox and was built in Japan and is a new browser with excellent privacy & flexibility.
There’s something really funny about that sentence. I think it’s because it reminds me of “remember Akira? That’s from Japan.”
Oh, man, that’s exactly what I’ve been wanting. Already switched!
it’s also absolutely proprietary, so no, thanks.
As A Vivaldi user since day one, I gave it up once I couldn’t take anymore of Googles/Chromium bull hockey. I’m just so done supporting a company like that. Firefox switch wasn’t easy, but after the first week I got used to it and I’m never going back to Chromium browser. Anyone can switch if you actually care enough.
I have Vivaldi on my android but I do not know how to get adblock working. Is it even possible?
Firefox mobile has Ublock Origin and works great. Even on YouTube.
Menu -> Settings -> Tracker and Ad Blocking -> Block Trackers and Ads
Thanks. I quickly tried it on YouTube and did get an ad. So I guess it doesn’t work on those. Bummer.
Edit. Tried it some more and did not get any more ads. It takes a little to get the video playing but other that 10/10. No ad experience. Awesome.
it has an adblocker but it doesn’t come even close to uBlock Origin. UBO is so many tiers above any other mobile browser built-in adblocker.
(which will keep the old plugin architecture, so adblockers work).
Will they? All I remember was them saying that their built-in adblock (which is very barebones) would still work after Manifest v3, nothing much else.
Seems you’re right! I’ll cross out that part. Sorry!
This is misleading. The BAT was a reasonable idea not really a scam.
It’s not just BAT; Brave also supports NFTs, which are even more unambiguously a scam.
The company is in bed with the cryptocurrency “industry” which cannot exist without constant fraud, ransomware, and other crimes.
Just a reminder, one of the largest investors in Brave is a right-wing billionaire who runs a corporate espionage agency that contracts with the US Department of Defense to spy on people.
Source of the info?
Wow, I actually had no idea. I haven’t used Brave in awhile now but they’ve been making some strange decisions lately. This makes the picture a little clearer
I love it when I talked shit about this browser and get acused of wearing a tin foil hat.
Just a reminder, Brave was using people’s likenesses to solicit donations without their consent, and without necessarily give those people the donations.
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If you want to poke around, look up “Tom Scott and Brave”.
https://www.altcoinbuzz.io/spotlight/famous-youtuber-tom-scott-frustrated-with-brave/
Uh I’ll stick to Firefox thanks.
Even better, librewolf.
What on earth is that? And in what sense is it better than Firefox?
Thank you. You had the opportunity to explain why you use it and why you recommended it, and yet you had me google it myself like I could have done from the start. Now I know it’s a browser (like your comment implied) based on Firefox with additional privacy features. But I still don’t know why you recommended it. Oh well.
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Damn the negative stories just keep coming in regards to Brave. It’s a shame, I liked using their iOS app but I said fuck it awhile ago already. Firefox is my main b rowser
I’m still not sure what to use on my iPad for adblocking. Someone please tell me what to use instead on iPad! Everything else is Firefox + uBlock Origin, of course.
I use Wipr with no complaints so far. If you need free, AdGuard is popular and has a free mode that seems to cover the basics.
Thanks for the rec
Apple makes it quite difficult. Honestly, I don’t think there’s a good option. Maybe try DNS based adblocking, by either setting your DNS to one that blocks ads or by setting up a Pihole, which gives you more control.
They do indeed. I’d use my iPad for media much more often if this weren’t the case
Stop using Brave, jfc. Please use Firefox, it’s not the best, but it’s better than this trash my goodness how many more scandals do people need to get rid of this crap?
Yeah the first time I tried Brave it the a bunch of ads for their services - and asking about providing info to their partners - at me constantly. I don’t understand why people use that PoS
Checkmate, Brave shills.
Like built-in crypto shenanigans weren’t enough.
tbf the BAT thing is cool
I used to be a Brave user. I loved it. It worked well, it blocked ads without me asking, whatever. Then Google said they’re gonna bake ad blocker blocking into the API and, knowing Brave was Chromium based, I went back to Mozilla after like 100 years.
Two observations:
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I was kinda deluded
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Mozilla got their shit together, Firefox is as awesome again, by comparison, as it was when they unseated Internet Explorer.
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the brave experience was less than ideal for me, the brave search is unusable, i switched back to firefox, which i had moved to from chrome
also, related, but a side note, word to the wise, never ever ever use a free vpn ever, someones gotta foot the bill for the exit server bandwidth, and either they’re keeping logs or they’re not keeping logs, but you’ll never know, and you won’t know when they sell their settup to the next guy. always use a major vpn service who’s audited and shown proof they’re not keeping logs, they’re in the business of secure and private vpn service. free vpns like what brave are offering are not in that business, and server, rack space, bandwidth costs actual money
The only chrome variant that doesn’t seem sketchy to install is chromium. The built from open source chromium. And that’s just because some sites barely function unless you’re using chrome’s rendering.
For everything else, Firefox.
What about Thorium? Thoughts?
I haven’t heard of it before today! Definitely going to check it out.
Would qtwebengine count, or is it a bit of a stretch?
I don’t know that I’d call that a chromium browser but I’ve only looked at its docs for 10 minutes. Hard to say where chromium integration begins and ends there without digging into the code. Seems like, at most, it’s using the web rendering engine from the chromium project. But it also seems to suggest it has its own modules for executing/rendering js/css/html.
Probably not included in the “should be avoided” category.
Now I’m curious what it’s used for.
I’m currently using it in a browser called Falkon. It’s not as big as Firefox or Chrome, but it is endorsed by KDE. Also, Apple’s Safari is using something similar.
Not at all.
Safari is using WebKit, which they based on KDE’s old KHTML engine, which is now discontinued.
Falkon uses qtwebengine which is Chromium’s web engine + integration with QT user interface.
A Linux browser that uses WebKit (like Safari) is GNOME Web.
If you need a Chromium browser use Ungoogled-Chromium, Windows version.
Very few people do. Better to just get Firefox.
Or some variant of it as Firefox also has its owned bundled stuff; I recommend Waterfox
Librewolf’s a good one too
On android I prefer cromite. Dont know how it compares with ungoogled chromium on windows though. Firefox is the superior choice on desktop
Librewolf
The amount of people I see shilling for Brave like it’s God’s gift to privacy is frankly kind of disturbing given how many issues they’ve had with privacy
The usual anti-Brave hate wagon, with FUD and pitchforks. They’re already working on it:
https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/33726
VPN is a paid service, it doesn’t connect to anywhere if one doesn’t pay. This is just a service installed just in case. And complaining about this while using Windows , the OS with unavoidable telemetry, spyware and ads is just laughable.
Mozilla did far worse “mistakes” over the time (Pocket , Cliqz, Mr. Robot, deal with the worst privacy offenders on the Earth such as Google Facebook, Amazon, CEO pay rise while firing devs and losing market share, while begging for donations… and so on) but they somehow always get a free pass, with people swallowing Mozilla’s corpo PR every single time.
Mozilla have some immunity because they do the hard work and actually develop a browser, while for Brave everything that matters is leeched from Google’s Chromium.
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Wow…a “FUD” user in the wild.
Wow, a Mozilla shill in the wild.
Says the dude very obviously shilling for Brave. You’ve solidified my decision to uninstall it.
Lol look at your downvotes. You don’t even know why we’re all against brave.
Only stupid people care about downvotes. And who are these “all”? A lot of people use Brave happily every day, while a lot of people deservedly leaves Firefox everyday because they realize the scam Mozilla is:
Lol…
I think you meant Brave is a scam here.
I mean, it’s not like Mozilla runs their own crypto wallet with the browsers keeping a mayor cut for themselves only because they are distributing the browser.
Mozilla does not run a crypto based ad network and inserts it into webpages.
Mozilla has never been caught inserting their own affiliated links into crypto related websites to receive a cut.
So you probably misplaced Mozilla with Brave there.
Sure, Mozilla is not perfect and they deserve criticism when they do things wrong (and they tend to). But Brave is just a chromium skin + a crypto based scam built-in.
Mozilla isn’t some paragon of free open source non-profit charity like everyone is claiming, they need to make a profit just like everyone else to keep themselves up there as a competitor to Google. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation
Currently use Firefox and Brave for different applications but I am considering switching to Vivaldi, I definitely want to do more research on all of them though.
I’m no fan of either Mozilla, Brave or Vivaldi.
Each of them is trying to make a cut with the browser.
I’d advise against Vivaldi because they have telemetry and it’s proprietary.
What I suggest instead are free software, community managed projects that have no monetary interests in distributing the browsers: Librewolf and Ungoogled Chromium. Unlike Brave, Vivaldi or even Mozilla, these devs don’t have incentives to put anti features into their browsers.
Currently migrating over to Librewolf, I really liked what it has to offer. Thank you for the suggestion!
